Schummer calls for 25th amendment to e invoked after capitol riots

And a large number of Americans have swallowed the Hillary won and Bush was appointed not elected, shall we charge them all with sedition and insurrection? And again quote from his speech where he said to go down and storm the capital and take it over. You want to hold Trump accountable for telling people to "fight" for their causes then charge him with a crime when he leaves office but then let's go down the list of politicians who have urge their constituents to "fight" for their causes. How about Harris who encouraged the anarchist and engaged in raising money for them? Shall we start impeachment on day one of her term?

So again explain how this fiasco will bring the people together and unite the country.

 

The Constitution is not semantics. Quote for me where the Constitution speaks of democracy or claims the United States is or will be a Democracy.

Tell me in what national vote have you ever cast a ballot?

 

Schummer calls for 25th amendment to e invoked after capitol riots

He can call until he is blue in the face. It simply doesn't matter.

 

We do not need just the " word " democracy. Think of the process. You notice I used the term democratic republic not democracy.

 

If you are going to claim the Constitution sets up a Democracy you most certainly need that word but your problem is it say Republic and sets up a FEDERAL system.
Again when have you ever participated in a national vote on anything?

 

Read what I wrote. I said a democratic republic. The based foundation word is republic. A federal system does not preclude it being a democratic republic. The federal system divides the levels of government and separates the powers of level of government. The federal government for example is that is the level of government that can have foreign relations and declarer war.

 

Read what I wrote a FEDERAL Republic, the United States a FEDERAL Republic of States.

Again tell me when you ever voted in a national election. When did you even vote for the President outside of your state? And the State Governments sovereignty gives them that sovereignty over matters where the Federal government cannot intercede. And again NO WHERE in the Constitution does it guaranty any Democracy it SPECIFICALY says a Republic in a Federal system.

Here from the US Government itself

"While often categorized as a democracy, the United States is more accurately defined as a constitutional federal republic. What does this mean? “Constitutional” refers to the fact that government in the United States is based on a Constitution which is the supreme law of the United States. The Constitution not only provides the framework for how the federal and state governments are structured, but also places significant limits on their powers. “Federal” means that there is both a national government and governments of the 50 states. A “republic” is a form of government in which the people hold power, but elect representatives to exercise that power."
https://ar.usembassy.gov/education-...ns that there is,governments of the 50 states.

Here Wiki
"The federal government of the United States (U.S. federal government)[a] is the national government of the United States, a federal republic in North America, composed of 50 states, a federal district, five major self-governing territories and several island possessions. The federal government is composed of three distinct branches: legislative, executive, and judicial, whose powers are vested by the U.S. Constitution in the Congress, the president and the federal courts, respectively. The powers and duties of these branches are further defined by acts of Congress, including the creation of executive departments and courts inferior to the Supreme Court."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_government_of_the_United_States

States have some democratic process WITHIN their states with elections and referendums and taxes. But we the citizens of the Federal Republic of the United States never have those democratic process on the FEDERAL LEVEL.

 

He hasn't. No one has. All elections are state elections. All of them.

 

I am aware and was aware of our structure as a Federal structure in government. We are a Federal structure because that was the "best" way that the 13 former colonies could combine and start becoming something resembling a country. Hell most is not all of the states at some time acted as if they were countries.

Whether I or others call us a democratic republic and you disagree is splitting hairs. I said a few times that no we are not a pure democracy. There isn't any viable pure democracy and there likely never will be because no one will ever agree how to run it.

Seriously the discussion of a what is a democratic republic vs not is an esoteric argument best help with some moderate drinking.

 

You're right. What happened last weak was not treason, at least nor in the way our constitution defines it. It was, however, sedition and insurrection.

Section 3 of the 14th Amendment:

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

se·di·tion /səˈdiSH(ə)n/ noun

1. conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch.

in·sur·rec·tion /ˌinsəˈrekSH(ə)n/ noun

1. a violent uprising against an authority or government.

Trump used social media in the weeks leading up to Jan. 6 to gather his mob. He used his rally that day to send them off to the Capitol to try to stop a standard legal process reaffirming the votes of we the people. He named names, and his faithful idiots called out those names while others assembled a gallows in front of the building. And no, it wasn't a prop, it was a fairly solid-looking working gallows.

That is sedition, that is inciting an insurrection. What he did, what other political heavies did, what too many pundits to name did by denying the validity of this election and keeping these people brainwashed and enraged, was the most un-American thing that has happened in my lifetime, and I'm pushing 70.

 

No one did anything like this before. Gore graciously conceded once the SCOTUS ruled, as did Hillary after her loss (and btw, she did get nearly 3 million more votes). Your attempt at whataboutism fails utterly. As for Harris, she seems to have done nothing worse than donate to a bail money fund:

https://mnfreedomfund.org/

I see nothing nefarious about this organization. People get wrongly arrested every day.

I don't know the answer to your question. As long as there are those who would willingly lynch or shoot me or you or anyone they were told was trying to destroy America, I got nothin'. (I say told, because these extreme people have been lied to by folks who are really good at it. They don't seem capable of independent thought, IMO.)

 

Gore fought tooth and nail and even got the FSC to violate it's and the federal constitution. He ONLY conceded after SCOTUS heard the case and said the FSC had acted unconstitutionally the the selective recounts violated the Constitution. That is what I wanted all along, get it to the Supreme Court but that never occurred here. And Harris solicited money and encourage the bailing of the leftwing anarchist and insurrectionist and even demand charges be dropped so spare your oh that was different.

This was not about wrongly arrest this was about get them back on the street so they can continue. Your making excuses are pitiful. Maxine Waters inciting people to get physical with cabinet members and Republican members of Congress.

Who is willing to lynch your or shoot you? Where did Trump tell anyone to commit an act of violence against anyone? Now Biden has repeatedly stated how he wants to take the President of the United States out back and beat him up, isn't that inciting violence?

 

If it is not how the Constitution defines then is not treason, pretty simple and the Democrats are trying to incite people by falsely claiming it is, shall we start the removals?

Trump didn't go and storm the Capital and engage in sedition and insurrection but those who did should be arrested and prosecuted as I have been saying for over 3 years. What is notable here is that sudden the left and the Dems sudden are outraged at insurrection and violence when they have been supporting and encouraging it for the last three years.

So how about this lets put together and FBI taskforce to go after ALL the insurrection and ALL the violence that has been occurring in our cities, arrest and charge those who incited it and led it and if we are going to treat Trump in this manner then all the Democrats who supported and encouraged should also face the consequences.

To a political rally, one that I said from the get go he should not have held but a perfectly LEGAL and CONSTITUTIONAL exercise of his rights to free speech and peaceful assembly which it was.

To peacefully and patriotically make their voices be heard. Just as thousands of politicians have done throughout history.

Quote the exact specific phrases that he utter that were inciting insurrection and sedition and if you say go and fight for what you believe in, then we need to start building lots more courts and hiring lots more judges and lots more prosecutors cause there are thousands of politicians out there that utter those same word to there constituents.

Can you quote the witnesses called by the Democrats to testify that it was Trump who told them to engage in violence and insurrection?
Can you point me to the affidavits they entered into for people claiming Trump told them to engage in violence and insurrection?
Can you point me to the rebuttal and defense his legal team presented today?

 

Yea it was the best way and why we ARE a Federal Republic and that is guarantied in the Constitution.

You can't even cite once instance in the Constitution where it even mentions Democracy.

I keep waiting for you to tell me when you have ever voted in a national election. It's not splitting hairs and commentators on TV and end print should stop calling us a Democracy and correct say our Republic.

I pledge allegiance to the flag and the United States of America
And to the REPUBLIC for which it stands.............

Not to the Democracy for which it stands.

Look I gave you the UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT ITSELF

"While often categorized as a democracy, the United States is more accurately defined as a constitutional federal republic."

You're going to argue with them?

 

Neither of these things happened last week.
Nothing Trump said could be taken by an honest person to be an incitement to rebellion
Nothing the people who "stormed" the Capitol building could be taken by an honest person as an "uprising" against the federal government.

 

Gore did not "fight tooth and nail." His people took it to court, the court ruled, and Gore conceded. Goe did not ridicule his opponent or anyone else involved. He did not whine to his supporters and get them stirred up about it. He didn't file 60+ frivolous lawsuits with no evidence to present.

And fyi, it did get to the SCOTUS, thanks to the AG of Texas (currently under indictment on corruption charges and looking to get himself a presidential pardon).

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/12/11/texas-lawsuit-supreme-court-election-results/

"Texas has not demonstrated a judicially cognizable interest in the manner in which another State conducts its elections." was the prompt response. There's a tweet from Trump on the outcome embedded in the article:

"The Supreme Court really let us down. No Wisdom, No Courage!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 12, 2020"

Gore never showed s7ch disrespect for the court, or for anyone else. Trump is singular in his attacks on anyone who doesn't do or say what he wants. No one else in our history even comes close.

As for your final question: Trump uses the same sort of inuendo that mob bosses use ... point at someone or something you don't like, and say something ambiguous that nevertheless indicates to his people to "go get 'em."

It's a cult. The rabble last week has a strong emotional respinse to Trump, like he's the messiah. "If you don't fight like hell. You won't have a country anymore." He fanned their fears into anger and told them to march to the Capitol and "take our country back."

Seriously, enough with your whataboutism. Like I said, no one else even comes close, but I think you know that and just don't want to admit it.

 

I listened all day to the House debating impeachment. Not one Democrat used the word treason.

No, he didn't. He told them he was going to go to the Capitol with them, but instead went into the White House and watched it on television. He's never done his own dirty work, why would he start now?

Got a link? What insurrection? Protesting police violence towards minorities is not insurrection.

They are doing that in dozens of cities ... 10k arrests have been made, people have court dates. Hopefully, those guilty of violence or looting will get substantial sentences, and those who are not guilty will be set free.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...-killing-police-arrest-non-violent-protesters

https://apnews.com/article/bb2404f9b13c8b53b94c73f818f6a0b7

There are some questionable actions being taken by the DOJ:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wir...-show-regular-americans-urban-antifa-73709791

As for his words that day:

https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-speech-save-america-rally-transcript-january-6

"... these people are not going to take it any longer. They’re not going to take it any longer."

"All of us here today do not want to see our election victory stolen by emboldened radical left Democrats, which is what they’re doing and stolen by the fake news media. That’s what they’ve done and what they’re doing. We will never give up. We will never concede ..."

"We will not take it anymore and that’s what this is all about."

He went on and on in his usual rambling way about how the election was stolen from him, therefore ftom them as well. He ramped up the hate throughout the soeech, like he always does. Read the 11:25 section.

"But just remember this. You’re stronger, you’re smarter. You’ve got more going than anybody, and they try and demean everybody having to do with us, and you’re the real people. You’re the people that built this nation. You’re not the people that tore down our nation." -- A psychology student could use that to write a thesis about how easy it is to stir people up out of one side of your mouth, then tell them how special they are out of the other. "... you’re the real people ..." that's all a flim flam man has to say to those in his thrall. It creates an emotional response, where reason and logic are buried.

"We’re going to have to fight much harder and Mike Pence is going to have to come through for us. If he doesn’t, that will be a sad day for our country because you’re sworn to uphold our constitution." -- hence the many calls during the invasion of the Capital of "Hang Mike Pence!"

"We’re probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them because you’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength, and you have to be strong."

From the crowd: "Fight for Trump! Fight for Trump! Fight for Trump!" -- They meant it.

Yes, I know he said "peacefully" but these are not peaceful people, and Trump knew that. He'd been tweeting at them for weeks to come to DC. "It's going to be wild!" he said. The ones invading the building and doing the damage, the ones smasing doors and windows, the ones who built a gallows out front ... do you really believe that Trump didn't know he was egging on QAnon, the Proud Boys, the Oath Keepers, the Boogaloo Boys? (And when the eff will all those 'Boys" start acrpting like men?)

Witnesses? Both Democrats and Republicans were the witnesses. And I'm confident, given the already more than a hundred arrests, that we'll hear from plenty of witnesses, plenty of perpetrators who are likely to claim that they were only doing their civic duties for theirvPOTUS.

 

I never said it mentioned the word democracy. If we call it a democratic republic we can still honestly pledge allegence to "the republic for which it stands".

At least we do not pledge allegence to the King, Queen, Czarina, Czar, Donnie, Troomp, President, QANON shaman,......

 

YES the founding document that establish what type of government will be the United States doesn't even mention Democracy and in fact guaranties to the States we will not be a Democracy.

Look I gave you the UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT ITSELF

"While often categorized as a democracy, the United States is more accurately defined as a constitutional federal republic."

You're going to argue with them?

 

US House Impeaches Trump for Inciting Deadly Capitol Riot ...
www.voanews.com › 2020-usa-votes › us-house-impea... 8 hours ago — Democratic Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, who is set to become ... “We don't need a weeks-long trial to determine that he committed high treason. ... The impeachment resolution cites Trump's unfounded accusations that he was ...
https://www.voanews.com/2020-usa-votes/us-house-impeaches-trump-inciting-deadly-capitol-riot

He told them to march in peaceful protest and behave patriotically nothing more. And if you are oblivious to the leftwing anarchy and insurrection that has been going on in Chicago, DC, Portland, NYC, Seattle, Wisconsin, and on and one you have no business here discussing and demanding others education you.

Not like this and it is the incoming Vice President who was raising money to bail the out so the could continue their anarchy and insurrection.


"... these people are not going to take it any longer. They’re not going to take it any longer."

As LOTS of politicians have said to the their constituents that is normal political bluster.

"

Hillary Clinton told Biden that if he lost he should never concede and still contends her election was stolen.

Yea sounds like Bernie Sanders

Bernie Sanders Is Not Done Fighting

" So I think it speaks to the over-all powerlessness that people are now feeling amidst all of the crises that we are experiencing with, clearly, a President who is a fraud and a danger to the country. You add all that stuff up, you got millions of people who are angry and are trying to fight back....

....So I’m going to continue that fight, and, no question, we are gaining momentum at the grass roots. And on and on it goes....

...if you are unhappy with Biden’s politics, if you disagree with Biden’s politics—and I certainly do—then the fight has got to take place, starting today, ...

...That is certainly what I will fight for, and do everything I can. This is pretty fundamental. ..

...And what you’re seeing on the streets of America today—beautiful young people, and others, of all races, all backgrounds, standing up in the fight ...

...But, when you break it down to what we are fighting for, it turns out that a lot of what we’re fighting for already exists in other countries on earth. ...
https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-new-yorker-interview/bernie-sanders-is-not-done-fighting

And that's just ONE interview.

Not inciting insurrection nothing impeachable.

OH it was all psychological now, you can't prove it so you'll just make stuff up now.

Yea like leftwing politicans tell their constituents to fight for what they believe in. See above.

Oh THAT'S impeachable. So the first time Biden or Harris tells their constituents they have to show strength and be strong you will be calling for them to be impeached and removed and charged with inciting insurrection.

And when Democrat cheer to fight for their candidates we can label them all insurrectionist.

So you agree when the MSM and Dems say "mostly peaceful protest" they are lying and inciting it.

They were witness to what happened INSIDE THE CAPITAL, and they are charging as many of those people with a crime as they can. They did not witness what happened at the rally. Which Democrats witnessed Trump leading the charge busting open the doors and taking over the Senate chamber? Which ones were down at the rally to witness it?
Defense attorney to witness: And you claim my client is the person who robbed the bank?
Witness: Yes sir
And you witnessed this at the bank?
Witness: No I saw it on the news.

If they are so plentiful then why didn't present them or their affidavits? Why didn't they allow Trumps legal counsel to address the charges and bring their witnesses?

 

Are you seriously trying to argue that we aren't governed via democratic processes?

 

On the use of the word treason, I stand corrected.

As for Trump and his responsibility for the riot last week, I already tried to explain that like a crime syndicate boss, he never tells his people what to do in exact words. He implies, he mentions names, he points to whatever he sees as a problem, and his followers do the rest. No, he did not tell the mob "go down there and break in, find these terrible people who are destroying America, fight them! Stop the steal!" And off they go to do just that. It IS a psychological response to a cult-like leader.

As for "... you have no business here discussing and demanding others education [sic] you." -- That was quite rude. I have as much right to post my opinions and share my knowledge as you do. You can disagree, but it is arrogant to claim that you must "education" me.

As for Hillary's advice to Biden, what is the relevance? Who cares what she told him? That's really scraping the bottom of the whataboutism barrel. Biden won fair and square. And Hillary conceded graciously in 2016 even though she won the popular vote.

Same goes for your rant about Sanders: not relevant. Did anyone riot, or commit murder, due to Bernie's words?

I think you underestimate the sway Trump holds over his core base, and how they interpret his words. These are not logical, reasonable people. Reasonable people don't riot. They don't pull police officers out of doorways, down steps, beating them with clubs, crutches, and flagpoles while viciously kicking them while they are dowm. Trump's people did that, right after screaming that there were invited there by president Trump.

As my dear departed brother used to say, never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

I don't mind debating you on this issue, but please keep it civil, okay?

 

And a despicable and inciteful claim by the Democrats.

Sorry but for incitement to insurrection it has to be EXACT words and EXPLICT instructions. Not your conjecture as to what people believed they heard. Not one witness was presented who said yes Trump told me to engage in violence and insurrection and I did it because he told me to do so. They could not even quote Trumps alleged incitement. Most if not all politicians tell their constituents to FIGHT for what they believe.

You said

You were claiming you did not know what has happened these last two years with the left wing anarchy and insurrection and wanting me to prove it. Sorry go get yourself up to speed and be in a better position to discuss the issue. I'm not your paid researcher.

Why is it OK for Democrats to rant NEVER CONCEDE but then demand Trump concede?

Absolutely relevent he said WORSE than what Trump said and yes there has been anarchy and insurrection on the left and his supporters

His core base has not been engaged in anarchy and insurrection his core base is the peaceful crowd that had gathered and did NOT storm the capital. His core base is condemning what occurred. Sorry can't say the same about the core base of the Democrats and their leaders about the leftwing anarchy and insurrection and in fact the income VP raised money in support of them.

And? The people that engaged in the insurrection had been planning it for weeks.

Sure, but don't demand I prove the obvious.

 

On the federal level? When have you ever voted in a national election on anything? Where does the Constitution speak of "democratic processes". Why did the Founding Fathers guaranty in the Constitution the federal government would not be a Democracy. The more local you get in states and cities and counties there are more "democratic processes". You do realize the Constitution does not say the citizens shall elect the President and you have no right to vote for the President. As I quoted the United States itself, we are a federal constitutional republic. When people say things like "We must protect our Democracy" they are speaking fallaciously. "We must save our Republic" is the proper term.

 

The latter generally involves defeating the whims of those who speak the former.