Schummer calls for 25th amendment to e invoked after capitol riots

Not any more we aren't. James Lindsay proposes that we are moving into true facism. Facism that consists of depersoning people and eventually to killing them. Right now, Trump and his allies are being depersoned... expunged from this system. This will be extended to most conservatives. Eventually it will be moved to mass murder.

Few people (if any) know more about critical race theory than James Lindsay. He knows it's objectives and its history so well that he has been published multiple times in the elite CRT journals by submitting utter bullshit. In his opinion, it is a civilization ender that can only lead to bloody tyranny.

This is perhaps the darkest video I have seen yet about where we are. It really might be time to get out while you still can.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_A._Lindsay

 

This explains the efforts by the left to make it as hard as possible for the law abiding to exercise their right to keep and bears arms.

 

Hmm ... where to begin? You're missing some context, but this really isn't the best method to debate ideologies and facts.

"... incitement to insurrection it has to be EXACT words and EXPLICT instructions ..." --- does it? Show me the statute, because Section 3 of the 14th Amendment doesn't say that, and neither do these:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2383

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2384

Try brushing up on the terminology:

https://www.themarshallproject.org/2021/01/08/a-civilian-s-guide-to-insurrection-legalese

At the least, read the section titled "Incite/incitement."

Re: "Not one witness was presented who said yes Trump told me to engage in violence and insurrection ..." --- wait. They're still arresting people, they're just getting started with their investigations.

This is my favorite from your post: "You were claiming you did not know what has happened these last two years with the left wing anarchy and insurrection ..." --- PUHLEEZE show me where I said any such thing. When I ask for links, it isn't necessarily me wanting to know about a thing, it's more often me wanting the claimant to prove their point, back it up with verifiable facts. Also, what "left wing anarchy and insurrection"? Please be specific, and show me how their actions fit the definition of insurrection. "I'm not your paid researcher." --- again with the snarkiness. I'm going to give it back to you if it continues.

Re: Sanders: "... anarchy and insurrection on the left and his supporters" -- was there supposed to be more of that? Can you prove that any leftist activities from Bernie supporters fit the description of insurrection? And in what way are they anarchists? To quote a movie line, "I don't think that word means what you think it does."

"His core base has not been engaged in anarchy and insurrection his core base is the peaceful crowd that had gathered and did NOT storm the capital." -- I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're joking. Nearly everyone in the riot were carrying Trump flags, wearing MAGA hats, and shouting his slogans and catch-phrases like "stop the steal!" And so forth. They were all Trump supporters. I'm not saying that all of his supporters took part in the rioting, nor were all rioters necessarily Trump supporters, but come on! And think about this: during the many protests that started with the death of George Floyd, the right put all blame for fires, rioting, smashing, and looting on BLM, and refused to hear about it if anyone tried to explain that BLM as a group did not do those things, it was just opportunists using the marches as cover. And now you expect me to believe that Trump's base are all peaceful people? Seriously, you don't see the hypocrisy of your statement?

As for "The people that engaged in the insurrection had been planning it for weeks." Were they planning it before or after Trump started whining daily about how the election was stolen? Before or after he started tweeting at his base to come to DC on Jan. 6? Before or after he starting stirring up the anger with his endless complaints about the election results?

What is obvious to you depends entirely on your chosen information sources. Views based on false information are not valid.

 

We hold democratic elections to choose our representatives to the federal government. Do yourself a huge favor and get off the semantics wagon. Nitpicking is a waste of time.

 

Only within your State. Try again.

A Republic, Not a Democracy

"...As James Madison wrote in Federalist No. 10, a republic is a form of government “in which the scheme of representation takes place.” Madison recounted how flawed “popular government” had proven historically: “The instability, injustice, and confusion introduced into the public councils, have, in truth, been the mortal diseases under which popular governments have everywhere perished.” In lamenting the historic inability of popular governments to “break and control the violence of faction,” Madison held forth a republican form of representative government as a way to square the circle: Without rebuking the basic logic of popular sovereignty, a republic could introduce a bit of reasoned reflection into the governing process, mitigating the dangerous popular passions that dominate purely democratic systems....

.....In the famous words of Edmund Burke: “Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment; and he betrays, instead of serving you, if he sacrifices it to your opinion.”

A republic cannot persist if our elected representatives fail to summon the requisite reason and courage to exercise judgment. The violence at the Capitol was a wake-up call: It’s time we stopped forsaking the virtues of republicanism for the vices of direct democracy."
https://www.nationalreview.com/2021...&utm_medium=blog-post&utm_campaign=river&utm_

 

No I am the one putting IN context and IN the law and the Constitution.

If you can't show they engaged in it with their exact words and explicit instructions to carry out insurrection you have nothing.

If you have something to say then say it I'm not going search links to find it.

But let's hear from the last federal prosecutor to successfully prosecute a case in inciting and actual insurrection against the Blind Sheik whose people bomb the World Trade Towers and were plotting against government buildings

"As I’ve explained, the president could not be convicted of the federal penal offense of inciting a crime of violence (Section 373 of Title 18, U.S. Code). Under the criminal law, it would be necessary to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he intended to cause violence, that he clearly called for it, that believed his words would result in violence, and that there was a strong probability that his words would cause the violence that happened.

Make no mistake, what the president did was reprehensible. It cannot be gainsaid that he recklessly stoked a throng of people, including some mob elements, with rhetoric about the election’s being stolen and the purported need to take back the country. But he also made statements about wanting peace and being against violence; and he would plausibly say that he meant the rhetoric about taking back the country in a political sense, not a forcible sense."
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/democrats-impeachment-article-andrew-mccarthy

Wait...........he's already been impeached. What witness did they produce, what sworn statement?

Why do you demand others prove things with which you agree? And I have been specific, why do you you think the White House has been fenced in since last May with no public access, because of the insurrection that occurred when left wing anarchist attacked it trying to gain entry and over 60 law enforce were injured trying to defend it and the President and his Family who had to be moved to secured quarters for just ONE and the insurrections that have been going on for two years. Insurrections just doesn't happen in DC you know.

It was plenty and goes hand in hand with Harris aiding and abetting and encourage the leftwing anarchist and insurrectionist to continue on the streets. So let's impeach her once she takes office.

They stormed the White House, they stormed the Supreme Court they stormed and occupied for months the State Capital of Wisconsin, they tried to burn down federal courthouses and police stations after first trapping people INSIDE so they could not escape. You really DON'T know what has been going on do you.

I blame and encourage the arrest and full prosecution of the Capital insurrectionist just as I did the leftwing insurrectionist and anarchist who have been engaging in the same for almost two years. You see I'm consistent, you should try it.

They were planning it before his speech that morning, they traveled to DC days before the speech. They ignored his pleas to remain peaceful and patriotic.

No for me but for you maybe but don't project that on me.

 

Will this happen before (or after) Bigfoot, Bat Boy, and Nessie form the New Triumvirate that rules America?

James A. Lindsay?

A complete Whackjob who is a prominent critic of The Left and a Trump Supporter?

Confirmation bias, much?

"It really might be time to get out while you still can"

^Really?

What would you suggest?

Selling off all of one's worldly possessions and taking a rocket ship to Mars?

And, back on topic to the OP, obviously the 25th Amendment won't be invoked.

We can only hope that the remaining 5 Days (of Trump's Term) are quiet, and The Trump-Inspired Domestic Terrorists stand down from some of their rumored Anti-Government threats.

 

Awwwww. Always the victim never the victimizer. Grievance politics taken to the extreme by privileged groups of people who need their accident of birth to define their status and identity.

Oh look another fear mongering doomsayers. Jimmy Jones, Marshall Applegaite, and James Lindsay different scams, same mind set.

 

Sorry, my bad ... I meant that you seemed to be missing, or misunderstanding, my context, either because I didn't articulate it in the best way or because you didn't read the links I provided.

Yes, seditious speech and the intent behind it is difficult to prove, but as more videos are released, we hear the rioters invoking Trump often. "Trump invited us here!" was heard quite clearly, and "We believe Trump" and "We're here for Trump.

As for the impeachment vote: in a court of law, witnesses are often key evidence, but this was a congressional process, not a court process, and the House is not required to hear testimony. That part of the process lies with the Senate. Remember last year, when the GOP-led Senate flatly refused to hear any witness testimony? The House had many witnesses ready and willing, but Mitch flatly said no.

You claimed in your previous post that the left were insurrectionists, that's why I wanted you to be soecific and name an event or events that fit the description of onsurrection. Instead, you reply with the fact that the White House became surrounded by fencing in May, and they haven't held tours for the public. Are you trying to claim that was because of leftist insurrection? I'm pretty sure that the tours stopped last March, and most protective measures were taken because of the pandemic.

Let me ask you this: if, as you claim, the fencing was put up in May because of leftist activity, exactly what activity were they expecting? The killing of George Floyd didn't happen until May 25. The first protest in DC was on the 29th. If the government was so sure that violence would occur that they fenced off the White House, then why the eff didn't they do anything to prepare for what they KNEW was going to be violent on Jan. 6? Social media was flooded with people chattering about going there, taking back their country, "stopping the steal" etc. There was even credible talk about bringing weapons, and names of lawmakers they wanted to harm. So why no cinderblocks, chain link, barbed wire until after the riot? BLM didn't do any of that, they just told people to bring banners, signs, and masks, yet they were considered a threat while Trump supporters, many of whom are affiliated with white supremacy groups, wild conspiracy nut jobs, and virulently anti-goverment groups, were not considered a threat? Think about that and get back to me with your best hypothesis.

"... the insurrections that have been going on for two years ..." -- what insurrections?

As for Harris: "So let's impeach her once she takes office." --- for donating to a bail bond fund?

"They stormed the White House, they stormed the Supreme Court they stormed and occupied for months the State Capital of Wisconsin, they tried to burn down federal courthouses and police stations after first trapping people INSIDE so they could not escape." -- Who and when? Stormed may be the wrong words. It implies what we saw at the Capitol last week, and no one did that at the White House or the Supreme Court. As for Wisconsin, do you mean this:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/201...ad,the Madison Community Wellness Collective,

An occupation in protest is not an insurrection. Their purpose seems to have been entirely peaceful, just very annoying, attempting to get the state legislature to back down on some new tax law. The TEA Party took part.

As for these: "You really DON'T know what has been going on do you." and "You see I'm consistent, you should try it." -- Arrogant, rude, and just very snarky. Not to mention totally false.

You're trying too hard to make Trump supporters and other righties to be the good guys, or at least no worse that the left. You have failed abjectly, but thanks for playing.

 

So what, since inception political leaders have called their supporters to DC and to even protest at the Capital. If we are going to start politicans who do so with some crime we got a LONG LONG LONG list to start with.

Witnesses that had not been called before the House to testify, the Dems knew their impeachment was bogus and were just trying to grand stand. The Senate only judges whether the impeachment AS BROUGHT by the House warrants removal it is not the investigative body that is the House.

And here the Dems held a 7 hour impeachment and all they brought was their unproven talking points. They did not back it up with a SHRED of evidence of the charges, no witnesses, not video of Trump telling people to go and storm the WH and engaged in insurrection, no affidavits from anyone claiming that Trump told them to do so.

I did and the WH is just one example and they were doing EXACTLY like the Capital protesters were doing but fortuniately the WH law enforce was able to keep them out as over 60 of them were injured. The WH still remains in lockdown and surrounded by fencing just as the Capital is now and it has even been expanded.

This is SOOO typical of left wing hypocracy, insurrection and anarchy is only bad if it is on the right.

50 Secret Service agents injured in White House riots as Donald Trump is taken to ‘terror attack’ bunker

• Mollie Mansfield
• Jon Lockett

• 1 Jun 2020, 3:17
• Updated: 1 Jun 2020, 15:58

"MORE than 50 Secret Service agents have been injured during ugly clashes outside the White House on a sixth night of violence sparked by the death of George Floyd.

The attacks came after President Trump was reportedly moved to a secure bunker usually used during terror attacks as heated protests escalated across Washington D.C."
50 Secret Service agents injured in White House riots as Donald Trump is taken to 'terror attack' bunker (thesun.co.uk)

Yes why shouldn't she be impeached once she is sworn in and not just bailed them out she encouraged the to never stop to continue.

It was an insurrection, the legislators had to go and hide, they occupied the state capital for months. So one again rightwing insurrection bad, leftwing insurrection bad.

And as one state representitive wrote in the state newspaper

"I was preparing to defend Wisconsin’s election results last week on the House floor during the certification of the Electoral College votes when the nation experienced an attack on our Capitol and democratic process.

The events of Jan. 6 were shameful. What should have been a day of celebration as we witnessed the peaceful transfer of power — something that makes America exceptional in the eyes of the world — was marred by a lawless assault on our democracy.


At this time in our nation’s history, our party divisions have never seemed smaller. It doesn’t matter whether you are a Democrat or a Republican, the choice now is between constitutionalists and insurrectionists. Constitutionalists believe in the Constitution, the rule of law, due process, human rights and civil rights for all our citizens. Insurrectionists believe in conspiracy theories, an alternate reality, and putting a person or a party above the rule of law."
Ron Kind: I stand with the Constitution in wake of Capitol attack | Column | madison.com

So what's the difference, the insurrectionist were leftwing.

Absolutely true and just more evidence of the Democrat duplicity and hypocrisy. I have been CLEAR from the START that ANYONE who engaged in ANY violence and insurrection should be arrested and fully prosecuted and the leaders especially and that we put an end to the anarchy and insurrection we have been suffering for over 2 years.

 

Marches, rallies, protests . . . until Jan. 6, none of them rioted or stormed their way into the Capitol with the intention of stopping a cobgressional process, or with the intention of doing harm to lawmakers or other officials.

You should read the entire Article of Impeachment before commenting on the House's evidence.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/11/politics/house-articles-of-impeachment/index.html

When? Here's a link to all White House security breaches:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_White_House_security_breaches#Breaches

Sorry, but there's no mention of the incident you claim. The left has done nothing even close to what the right did on Jan. 6.

Hyperbole. Agents were hit with some bottles and rocks, and some with urine. Ugly, but at no time were these protesters within the White House. They weren't even on the grounds. They weren't calling for anyone's death, and they weren't trying to stop or interfere with official processes.[/QUOTE]

How about because she did nothing illegal? Or does that only count if the politician is right wing?

Regarding Wisconsin in 2014: Were they threatening the lives of anyone? Were they trying to violently halt a government orocess? Did they smash doors and window? Did the beat law enforcement officers on the Wisconsin Capitol steps? Did they kill a cop? There's the difference.

Me, too ... on that we agree. What we disagree on is your false equivalence between the mob violence of Jan. 6 that was, in fact, insurrection, and some very mild, by comparison, actions by the left.

 

And riots and insurrection as they marched on the White House and the Supreme Court, to stop a Congressional process, in Washington and federal buildings and courthouses and state capitals and police stations and burned and looted private business and illegally occupied city blocks throughout the nation.

I have what am I missing and be specific.

I've already cited and now you move the goal post, the White House law enforcement did a better job than Pelosi's capital police and were able to keep them out but 60 of these law enforcement were injured doing so.

OH that makes it OK then...........geeez. You left out the feces and bricks and explosives and YES the White Security better did it's job and was able to keep them out, what's your point. And the White House is still in a state of siege with the same type of defenses measures being taken and the Capital.

Just admit it insurrection on the left...........good. Insurrection on the right.......bad. You situational outrage is duly noted.

She did not different and in fact worse than Trump, she actually helped to bail insurrectionist out of jail and urged them to continue.

Threatening someone's life is not a requirement for insurrection and they forcefully entered and occupied the state capital for MONTHS and the state legislators had flee for their safety and remain in hiding. But that being said

"As chaos erupted at the Wisconsin State Capitol Tuesday night, protesters beat and robbed a black man while a biracial woman was later burned with lighter fluid by men she described to authorities as white.

Madison police said these were just some of the “many acts of overnight violence” under investigation after daylong protests took a violent turn Tuesday evening.

WISCONSIN MAN WANTED IN FIRE-BOMBING MADISON GOVERNMENT BUILDING DURING NIGHT OF UNREST; $5G REWARD OFFERED


A 28-year-old man was assaulted around 10:30 p.m. after he inadvertently turned his car into the path of protesters while driving to pick up his girlfriend at a hospital, police said in a news release."
Wisconsin unrest: Protesters beat and rob black man on video; biracial woman burned with lighter fluid | Fox News

State Senator Attacked As Unrest Gripped Wisconsin State Capitol
Scott Anderson 6/24/2020

MADISON, WI — A Wisconsin State Senator says he was attacked by "eight to ten people" Tuesday night as civil unrest gripped the State Capitol. The Wisconsin State Capitol was besieged by protesters, and police say two statues were torn down in the fracas.
State Senator Attacked As Unrest Gripped Wisconsin State Capitol (msn.com)


Thiessen: Remember, Democrats occupied Wisconsin Capitol
Walker and I co-wrote a book, “Unintimidated” in which we described the attack on the Capitol in Madison. “Standing on the capitol steps at dusk, (Secretary of Administration) Mike Huebsch watched as an army of thousands formed on State Street and began marching toward him,” we wrote. “Soon they had descended on the building, banging on the doors and windows, chanting, ‘Let us in! Let us in!’ The small contingent of capitol police was quickly overwhelmed. Protesters ripped the hinges of an antique oak door at the State Street entrance and streamed inside. Mike watched in disbelief as the window to Democratic Representative Cory Mason’s office opened right in front of him and protesters began crawling into the building. Once inside, they began unlocking doors and bathroom windows until a sea of thousands had flooded the capitol.”


The police retreated in the face of the horde, giving up the first floor, then the second. “The protesters ran amok, chanting ‘This is our house!’ and ‘This is what democracy looks like!’” we wrote. “And they then began searching for the Republican senators who had dared to defy the will of the unions.” As the crowd scoured the building looking for the offending legislators, police sneaked them out through an underground tunnel to a government building across the street. But a Democratic representative posted on social media that the Republican senators were escaping through the tunnels, so when the senators came up into the lobby, the mob was there waiting for them.

“The tall windows that framed the lobby were plastered with people yelling and banging on the glass,” we wrote. “They were trapped. The senators hid under a stairwell, out of view, while the police ordered a city bus to pull up in front of the building. Officers then formed a human wall on the sidewalk, parting the sea of protesters and creating a pathway for the senators to reach the bus.” Once the senators were on board, “the mob on the street began punching the windows and shaking the vehicle. ... The police told the senators and staff inside to keep their heads down in case a window shattered.”

Thankfully, no one was killed. But during the course of the occupation, Walker received a steady stream of death threats against him and his wife, including one that promised to “gut her like a deer” and one threatening to kill his sons. Police found dozens of .22-caliber bullets scattered across the Capitol grounds. The occupiers drew chalk outlines of fake dead bodies etched with Walker’s name on the floor, and carried signs that read “Death to tyrants,” “The only good Republican is a dead Republican,” and one with picture of him in crosshairs with the words, “Don’t retreat, Reload.”....
Thiessen: Remember, Democrats occupied Wisconsin Capitol | Other Views | gazettextra.com


And that is just two of the many I could post so stop trying to marginalize it and deny and excuse it.

What we disagree on is your false claim this is the insurrection and anarchy that has occurred and that insurrection is only bad if it is rightwing

 

I'm not going to bother reading all of that.

You're trying like hell to make violence and destruction from the left equivalent to that from the right. They aren't even close.

You're also in deep denial of Trump's responsibility in inciting the insurrection of Jan. 6. He is completely and utterly and directly responsible. Period. If he had accepted the election results after the first dozen or so lawsuits were tossed out, and acted like a grownup about it, conceded the loss and made the traditional congratulatory call to the winning candidate, the riot inside our Capitol would never have happened. That's a freaking fact, my friend, and if continue your nonsense about it until the 2024 election, it won't change a dambed thing.

There will be more violence from the right this week and probably beyond. The left did not behave this way, not even close, when Trump got elected in 2016 while losing the popular vote by nearlt 3 million. No one invaded the Capitol, not one tried to stop the customary EC and congressional processes. Did we want the investigation of Russia's involvement? Yes. Did we riot when the Mueller Report came out, and left a lot of specifics to be desired? Not at all. Did we mob the Justice Department when Trump's little pit bull, Bill Barr the Bag Man incorrectly announced that the report exonerated Trump? No, we did nothing of the sort.

You can keep trying to make these lame whataboutisms, and you are fully entitled to your opinions on this issue, but the facts do not back you up.

 

Ah. Dismissing information that does not fit your narrative.

You're right - the left has been rioting and looting and burning, continually and en masse, since June, all over the country.

Cite, then copy/paste Trump's statements that make him responsible for what happened on January 6.

A conveniently short memory you have.
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37946231
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/thousands-us-protest-president-elect-donald-trump/story?id=43427653
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/10/us/trump-election-protests.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_protests_against_Donald_Trump
ad nauseam

You say this as if it means something.

You are fully entitled to your opinions on this issue, but the facts do not back you up.