Teaching Progressive/Leftist Ideology in our Schools

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  1. Adfundum

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    Thanks.

    The comment I was referring to said that it was being forced on all students, and I assumed he was referring to the other CRT course for engineering students. Critical Race Theory is not a required course anywhere I've ever heard of. There are workshops that rise out of the theory, but the theory itself has been around for a long time.
     
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    Yet! With every new day a new beginning is available ;) Whose to say teachers can't indoctrinate with subtle push's..
     
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    Well one simple search with the Google adds much validity to your claims.. Stay strong Libhater, the indoctrination routines are everywhere ;)


    Is There a Liberal Bias in Higher Education
    Just a few relative hits to meet everyone's discriminating palette!!
     
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    In fact, I am a university professor, and I've never heard of CRT before. Looking at it briefly, it doesn't seem my university has a course in CRT, I don't know if this is common or not. My guess, students wouldn't take a course like that, unless they already had an interest in the subject. I doubt that the typical conservative student would even take such a course.
     
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    Very informative post.
     
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    However . . . teachers have little to no say in what is taught in NC. They must follow state mandated curriculum. NC DPI: Standard Course of Study

    Additionally, teacher associations are voluntary and they hold very little power beyond lobbying for teacher rights. This "need" referred to above indicates how powerless the Educator Associations are as far as pushing beliefs onto students.

    In essence, the beliefs of a single person is not a threat. This person does not have the power to overcome the state legislature and force Marxism on students. It seems in this case it's part of a narrative to attack education.
     
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    I looked it up as a course, and it wasn't there. As a racial theory, it's kind of way too broad to be a single course. It might be part of a concept in a Sociology course, but it's not course material as such.

    I used to belong to a group called Building Bridges. We went to different classes and engaged other students in discussions about race and how we use our biases to judge people we don't know. I came out of that with a strong dislike for "Race" as an academic term because the word is so loaded emotionally that as soon as people hear it, the walls go up. I felt a better approach was to examine how we form stereotypes and use them to make those "racist" judgments. It is odd what we wall in and out.

    Regardless, I'm seeing this whole topic as part the Campaign To Sow Division So Folks Have Someone To Hate (CTSD for short).
     
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    Did you know the Beyonce course at Rugers was discontinued in 2015? The "California, Here We Come..." course was from 2012. Miley Cyrus from 2014? If it they're no longer offered, why are they mentioned in a post about how Liberalism is corrupting Education?
     
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    I think a better question would be "What were they replaced with"..

    Maybe something like this..

    Gender, Women, & Sexuality Studies
     
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    Isn't it strange...
    having been part of a couple of British discussion groups , this meme comes up over and over.
    The right say that education has been taken over by the left. Whoever they may be in whatever country you are in, of course.

    This is one of those redneck right's attempt at discrediting education by insisting it is overrun by conspiracy fodder feeding the open minds of students of all ages with liberal propaganda. and by implication, that is why the right don't rule the world.

    First let me say that is is the right leaning oppressive governments which censor learning and forbid ideas about personal opinion, free votes and consensus government ¨laces like China, Russia, North Korea, various African oligarchies, some South American dictatorships.
    They teach The Truth as confirmed by oppressive governments.

    Now why on earth do you think the right want to accuse the left of doing what they do?

    Because they really really do not like people to be educated to think freely. Because THEN, like the above examples , the people don't think or question. They obey. When told to hate , they hate.
    They "believe" dictators, truth twisters, Great Controllers who ask them to jump and they say "how high".
    And they are told to spread the word that The Other is not allowing them to be heard.
    I am remembering the Kent State incidents when it was the puppets of the govt who beat the snot out of the students who objected to being cannon fodder in a war they hated and in which so many fine people were murdered. The got stooges did what they were told by the govt who couldn't stand free thinkers.

    So let's not have any more of the old garbage about left wing indoctrination so that the right can feel justified in not being heard. Maybe there is another reason they aren't taken so seriously...they believe conspiracy theories, they believe yes when the answer is no, red when the reality is blue and that man-gods actually exist.
     
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  11. Adfundum

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    Ok, so help me understand your point--please explain why you see that as a problem.
     
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    IMO--it's like I said above (CTSD ((as a sarcastic label)). The topic has all the hallmarks of something passed along either by email or by social media. It appears to be a few years old, and it seems to be intended to trigger anger and disgust as well as to be forwarded to as many as possible.
     
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    Having 5 kids, my experience is that it is rampant. Teachers/professors are mostly Democrats and use their influence to indoctrinate our youth. There was one political science professor that encouraged students to think for themselves.
     
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    Not a problem, just a bit to touchy feely and self defeating for my taste.. From all I have experienced around Norcal leftist is, "First you have to realize and admit to being part of the problem" even if you aren't the problem.. In most cases courses like this just create or I should say, have created culture of self loathing and another culture taking advantage of that perceived guilt.. And in many cases hobbles the the self guilted by reducing their perspective of themselves along with their own self worth!

    It was apparent in the 60's and today! A simple trigger word(s) such as racism, privilege or white will shut down equal discussion.. Stereotyping has been seeded and is in full bloom today in the Liberal community.. Many of them have very little self-esteem and quickly move aside or hold back as to not be labeled or stereotyped..
     
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    Having kids myself as well as coaching a high school team for 18 years and therefore getting to know a ton of teachers at the school I coach as well as the countless coaches that are teachers I find the claim of indoctrination to be utter bullshit. On top of that the majority of kids don't even like their teachers yet somehow they are going to follow what a teacher says? Nonsense.
     
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    Its not BS. My experience is the opposite and I realize that living in Los Angeles may be a factor. It has risen to the point of gas lighting here.

    It may not be as severe as people think, but is is not BS either.
     
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    Confirmation bias is a funny thing
     
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    Ok, but bear with me and answer some questions?

    You mentioned stereotyping, and that's been my thought on how to address racial/ethnic issues. But can you tell me if you sometimes use those stereotypes, even when you don't intend to? I have to admit that I do that, and usually don't realize I've done that until afterwards.
     
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    Miguel Cardona, President-elect Joe Biden’s education secretary nominee, recently oversaw the creation of soon-to-be mandated critical race theory courses for high schoolers.
     
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    That would be great if parents did that.
    But you see how divisive the country has been for a long time now? Well to me, that means there's a lot of parents that don't teach inclusiveness and tolerance.
    So, the teachers have to, so kids aren't going at each other all day long disrupting class time. IMO.
     
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    While in middle school, my son told me his teacher spent a good part of the session telling them why anyone who didn't vote for Obama was stupid and crazy.

    A community college near me held pro-Hillary rallies with tents, fliers, bullhorns and students and staff participated. A student handing our copies of the constitution was threatened with removal if he did not restrict his actions to the "free speech zone"

    Graduation ceremonies have been a soap box for professors to preach politics. I have been to many and can't think of one without political comments. Last one had several jabs at Trump.

    I still have 2 kids in college and still hear the stories.
     
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    Just to be clear, the Connecticut course and others like that use a very broad term in a specific way. Along with the recent rise of a website critical of such things, the CRT label is being misused. The Marxist connection is totally overblown and since the theory originated as a legal theory and Marx was one of many who believed that race was used to control society.

    Essentially, the schools are adding a requirement that history not be taught in a White dominated way.
     
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    Don't believe for a second your claim that a teacher ranted to middle school kids about Obama voters being stupid and crazy.
    Your other examples are hardly "indoctrination". College campuses have ALWAYS had rallies, see 1960s.
    A professor taking a few jabs at Trump does not equal "indoctrination".
     
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    I couldn't believe it either, but I I know parents of other students in that class and they heard the same thing. No single case equals indoctrination, but the cumulative total of several actions does have an effect on beliefs through repetition.

    You missed the point of the rally. It was that only one side got to be heard while those with opposing beliefs do not.

    There are many cases where speakers get shouted down by leftists.

    Again, it may not be as severe as some think, but it is far from being BS.
     
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