Here is a real gun control proposal that doesn't ban any guns (that aren't already)

It was called stop and frisk.

 

You do realize there is a gun section of the forum, or were the forum titles giving you problems?

 

I think you should leave your doors open and allow anyone to strip-search you and those you are with. That way everyone knows you are not part of an evil plot to murder a lot of children. Which I'm sure you not going to do. But just to make me feel better, you'll let the police and every deputized citizen strip search you whenever I'd like them to. It will make me feel safer.

 

Unfortunately, you'all don't seem to know what a militia is.

 

England is Tyrannical. Ever heard of the American revolution?

 

Registration is unconstitutional. Registration infringes on the right to bear arms.

 

Yep, so?

 

No it doesn't.

 

No, what is silly is your acting as if "criminals" don't care about being arrested. By your logic we shouldn't have any kind of laws whatsoever since some people will disobey them.

 

Rights can be and are regulated all the time. Your right to free speech is generally subject to your getting a permit and the permit itself can be fairly stringently regulated. All being a right means is that the government cannot arbitrarily deny you a permit if you do what the permit says, and it only applies to the government, not to private individuals.

Public safety has long been recognized as one matter in regard to which government has an overriding interest which can justify the regulation of rights.

 

Yes, it does.

 

Your argument now has no legs.

 

How?

 

Wrong, England is not tyrannical.

 

Nope

My property is nine of your or the government's business

 

Funny, in 45 years of owning them my guns have not killed anyone

 

1) you could just not register it.
2) if you choose not to register it then no.
3) only by people who register their firearms which wouldn't be criminals so that's useless.
4) again only by people who register their firearms which wouldn't be criminals.
5) again only by people who would register the farms which wouldn't be criminals.
6) so you could report your gun stolen yet keep it and then it's no longer registered to you. What would be the point of this other than just to harass and make loads of more red tape for legal owners who wouldn't be criminals anyway?
7) not sure what the point of this is.
good luck getting a jury to convict someone of murder who isn't guilty of murder.

9) how would they find your guns unless they busted down your door and searched your house illegally?

This is useless because it doesn't do anything about criminals they would just simply not register their guns. The only purpose for this is to create massive amounts of red tape for legal gun owner and to treat them as if they are criminal for exercising their rights. And of course the only real reason for a gun registration is so that you can later confiscate them. The government doesn't need to know if law abiding citizens have guns what they need to do is focus on crime. Making it easier to enforce laws would be the way to do this mummifying people in bureaucratic red tape is just a way to dissuade people from exercising their rights and that is not a government function.

 

Rights can only be regulated when a Right infringes on another Right. Additionally that infringement must be able to be shown that it will have an actual affect of stopping an immediate harm. For instance a cop may barge into a house without a warrant if there is probable cause of an immediate crime happening. If there isn't then a warrant MUST be gotten. I use this as an example to show that every infringement of a Right is about addressing an immediate violation of a persons Rights. Free Speech can be infringed in the case of libel or slander due to an immediate damage that is being caused. Free Speech can be infringed when someone is advocating for something illegal to happen as that is causing an immediate harm. Same goes for any other Right.

In other words, "your Rights end at the tip of my nose". You can cry public safety all that you want. But Rights are not a collective thing. It is an individual thing. Indeed there is no such thing as a "collective Right". All Rights are held by the individual.

Furthermore (for everyone else) a registration is not just violating the 2nd Amendment. It would also violate our Right to Privacy. Since we have a Right to keep our information private that means that we have a Right to keep ownership of a gun private also.

 

Then go to England. Don't come back.

 

How?

 

Hello. If they commit crimes then the laws mean nothing to them. I could say it in spanish if you prefer.

 

No it isn't and no it doesn't. Registration of cars doesn't infringe your ability to drive either. Gun laws are what infringe your right to bear arms.

 

None at all.

 

Thanks. The laws have changed since I was an FFL.

 

Yes, it does.

You're claiming a gun registration law is not a "gun law"?