Here is a real gun control proposal that doesn't ban any guns (that aren't already)

You still need a warrant. Were you a fan of Stop And Frisk?

 

You don't need a warrant federal courts ruled checkpoints are a valid way to catch criminals.

It's not stop and frisk if it's universal.

 

So there is more incentive to not register your fire arm, if it's just a tool to punish you for poor etiquette I fail to see it's value.

 

Universal? How does a nation wide stop and frisk differ from a state wide one?

 

That’s false. Only for the operation of the vehicle stops are legal such as sobriety. Searching cars just to search them still violates the fourth amendment

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/police-set-up-roadblocks.html

 

I have been a gun owner for more than 65 years. I have been an NRA member. I was an NRA bullseye competitor, I have taught firearm use to police cadets. I have been a gun dealer. Registration has never stood in the way of anything I have ever done with firearms. I simply reject your premise. If your question is do I like gun registration then I can say I do not. But don't tell me it has hampered my life in any way.

 

So you can own unregistered firms because I can.

Requiring you to register them as an infringement on your right. I don't care if you think that it's convenient or not doesn't matter.

The only reason for any registration is so that they can then later confiscate them from you.

 

I don't think you know how check points work.

At check points, when you are stopped, you can literally just crack your window enough to talk to the cops and give them your ID and refuse to answer any other questions. If they don't smell alcohol then they have to let you go. They are not allowed to search you or your car without a warrant.

 

No the main reason is to help trace guns to criminals and criminals to guns. Yes, I know criminals don't follow the law. Some criminals don't become one until they use their gun for something illegal. I don't know why you are arguing with me. I don't like gun registration either. I just don't see that it gets in anyone's way. Confiscation is unconstitutional.

 

You are wrong, I think. Registration isn't voluntary. When you buy a gun from a dealer the serial number and your personal information go to the ATF which does a cursory background check and approves or denies the sale. Bingo the gun is registered. If you buy the gun from a private party the gun is registered to whomever first bought it from a dealer. People don't register their guns. Dealers do.

 

As normal for everything you come up with it's totally unconstitutional .

 

absolutely false first and foremost a convicted felon can't legally own a gun therefore they can't legally register a gun. It will do nothing about that.

Second if you get a gun to do criminal Behavior with you probably won't register it.

The only people that this effects are people that would be honest. Hey does absolutely nothing to criminals.

like registering the gun they're going to commit crimes with or the gun they obtained illegally?

This does not affect criminals.

It's like saying vehicle registration stops people from driving without a driver's license it doesn't.

a criminal and they want to use the firearm for their criminal Behavior they will probably obtain one illegally that isn't registered.

Registration has zero effect on criminals because they don't register their guns.

because I disagree with you about what you're saying.

Registration gets in the way because it's only purpose is to confiscate firearms. This country has a long history of violating constitutional rights. To think that the government just magically respects your rights despite actively trying to take them away at this very moment seems a bit naive.

 

So is a block of ice.

 

following any law is voluntary because anybody can just decide one day to be a criminal right?

Further if I choose not to register my firearms then the government doesn't know about it and can't enforce it. All we can do is punish me if I use them defensively so the point is to punish you for using them defensively if you don't capitulate to registration.

It is not about stopping criminals from getting them.

that's only if you buy one from an FFL dealer. If I buy one from my neighbor I don't have to go through any of that.

And you can buy parts without having to deal with an FFL and change them out and magically the serial numbers don't match anymore.

I'm not a criminal mastermind I figured this out sitting on a toilet right after reading your response.

If I can figure this out any criminal can and registration serves no purpose but to infringe on legal owners rights.

 

Baloney, I often operate a unregistered 2003 Ford explorer on the streets around here, it has no doors, no bumpers and no tag.

I have driven by numerous deputies and none have bothered to pull me over or care about what I am up to, it's considered a AG vehicle as many of the same type are on the roads out here.

You really have no idea of what you are talking about orhow it applies in the real world.

 

Which is a massive fail.

90%+ of crimes are committed by people illegally possessing a firearm, whether it's because they're underage, barred by a felony conviction, barred by a court order, or obtained the weapon illegally.

There's a reason why the federal and State law enforcement agencies have firearms labs to recover the serial numbers of firearms when they have been burned off, ground down, or otherwise defaced.

I have no idea what percentage of illegal firearms are not of US origin.

I was part of joint task force that investigated gun running along the Virginia coast. Yes, firearms are smuggled across the Mexican border, but they're also smuggled in along the coasts. Dozens of weapons at a time.

 

A block of ice isn't a long range weapon firing projectiles.

 

None of this is unconstitutional as it neither bans or inhibits anyone from getting a gun.

 

It is voluntary in that you don't have to buy a gun.

It is about tracing the origin of a gun that was used in a crime. Yes you can buy one from your neighbor but the ATF will visit him if the gun is used illegally.

The only part that counts is the receiver. The other parts aren't numbered and don't have to match anything.

Now you have more to sit on the toilet about.

There is no point in repeating myself.

 

it's volunteering that you don't have to register a gun even if the law says you do. There is no way they know you have guns. Maybe if you buy guns from an FFL after a registration goes into effect but they're already 500 million guns out there that maybe a quarter of them would be registered. I certainly wouldn't it sounds like a way to just get screwed.

no it isn't. If my neighbor didn't register it no they wouldn't.

that's false barrels I have serial numbers a receiver doesn't have anything to do with the barrel or the bullet so there's no way to know if a receiver fired a particular round.

not really. There's nothing with regard to crime that the registration has anything to do with.

Well no there isn't. No simply wouldn't register their gun and therefore gun registration serves no purpose.

Repeating a failed point is useless.

 

Yep, I got you mixed up with Sackeshi. I apologize.

 

BS try dropping one on a cop from the roof of a building.

It killed the officer.

 

Incorrect 90%+ of your ideas are unconstitutional, the remainder are dangerous to the legal ownership of guns.

But than again you have a standing history of coming up with solutions that violate the Second and many other parts of the U.S. Constitution, while offering no real solutions to the problems you claim they will solve.