New Variant 'IHU' Identified In France, May Have 46 Mutations

Put up with? That's your personal responsibility?

How would being vaccinated (I am all three shots) keep me from infecting others if I get one of those "breakthrough" cases?

 

Start with the ones that have been fired because they refuse the vaccine.

 

My responsibility? How am I responsible for hospitals filling up and the 50-year-old daughter of friends of mine, a mother with 14- and 12-year-old daughters of her own, having her colon cancer surgery delayed?

There is evidence vaccinated covid infected are less likely to pass on covid to others.

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2021/12/vaccinated-who-get-breakthrough-infections-less-contagious/

https://www.osfhealthcare.org/blog/fully-vaccinated-less-likely-to-pass-covid-19-to-others/

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/vaccinated-people-are-less-likely-spread-covid-new-research-finds-n1280583

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/09/the-vaccinated-arent-just-as-likely-to-spread-covid/620161/

https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covi...5-times-more-protective-than-natural-immunity

 

I'm in favor of the government telling us the truth and not trying to blame the spread on the unvaccinated when the vaccinated are actually spreading the virus more than the unvaccinated are. Why won't the government tell us the truth? We don't need government mandated lockdowns, we need the government being honest with the American people that the masked are spreading the virus and the vaccinated are spreading the virus. By the government lying, and implying that the vaccinated can go out and do whatever the hell they want, including filling up an 80,000 seat football stadium, the government is DIRECTLY responsible for the spread of the virus. If Americans knew the truth, many would decide not to risk going to an 80,000 seat football stadium or go on cruises. But, the government won't be honest about it and even Biden himself has said several times that vaccinated people don't spread the virus. So, Americans get vaccinated and spread the virus to everyone. Meanwhile, Joe Schmoe who is not allowed in places and has been fired from his job because he isn't vaccinated, isn't spreading the virus to anywhere near the number of people that the vaccinated are.

 

Factually incorrect in what way? You're saying that if we have two Covid cases side by side, one of them is passing on a more virulent virus than the other? Why in the world would that be? The vaccine doesn't prevent Covid or fight it, it alerts your own immune system, sort of jump starts your natural defense system. The virus is still the virus.

Factually speaking, the virus will not prevent infection. The vaccine does not kill the virus. The virus does not prevent spreading the virus if you are sick, vaccinated or not. The virus, by design, will help your body fight. If it does that it's worth getting and all that happens when the pro totalitarians go on a rant is people see that the story doesn't fit with the everyday reality we see.

 

I don't know why you don't get it. The virus is surging in the most highly vaccinated places on the planet because it is the VACCINATED who are spreading it. Who is spreading the virus more, Joe Schmoe having to watch a football game at home on TV because he is not vaccinated, or 80,000 vaccinated fans attending a football game?

 

The virus is surging in the most highly vaccinated places on the planet because it is the vaccinated who are spreading it.

 

There is no such thing as a breakthrough infection. That implies it is a rare occurrence and it is not at all rare. It's just part of the fight that we have to accept.

 

Unvaccinated Joe Schmoe and his ilk aren't spreading covid at the football game because they aren't there. Of course, Joe might be spreading covid st the mall or supermarket.

 

I guess this means you dismissed the cites with a wave of the hand. Oh, well.

 

You're spreading nonsense, something going around these days.

 

That's what I said, unvaccinated Joe Schmoe isn't spreading Covid because he is at home, not spreading it. Meanwhile the 80,000 vaccinated people at the stadium ARE spreading it.

 

Time in circulation isn't the ONLY factor that determines if and how a virus mutates...

 

LOL. Yes Mr. Joe Biden. None of those 80,000 people at the football game are spreading the virus because the vaccinated don't spread the virus. Or, are they?

https://www.politifact.com/factchec...says-vaccinated-people-cant-spread-covid-19-/

 

Aside from the football game where unvaccinated types are persona non grata, vaccinated folks spread it less overall because they're get it less, and those who do get it are less likely to pass it on.

 

You're depending on people to fall for your nonsense.

 

I think we're 120% nuts to be holding large-scale stadium sporting events during a pandemic where our hospitals and healthcare workers are hanging in by their teeth.

 

Are the vaccinated not spreading it? What's your point?

How long would be an acceptable moratorium? Should we still refrain from them in 50 years?

 

1) And still, it's THEIR decision. Freely made choices, and thus none of our business. If it's unacceptable to you to see people insisting on staying fat, for example, when they know it will increase their C19 risk - do something about it. Let those folk experience the consequences they deliberately sought, instead of teaching them their choices don't have consequences (which is exactly what you do when you try to shield people from the consequences of their actions).

2) No, you can't. If someone is determined to stay fat, there's nothing you can do to prevent it.

3) Insisting on what? Showing people they can avoid the consequences of bad decisions? Or insisting that they experience the full consequences of their decisions. Because those two approaches have opposite outcomes. One actually helps, the other creates infinitely more harm.

4) What does vaccination have to do with this? We're talking about the two years people have had to improve their health and fitness. I'm FOR mandatory vaccinations. I'm old enough to remember the raft of vaccines we all had to have in childhood (if we wanted to go to school), and for travel. It's not biggie for me. What IS weird, is Pro-Choice Progressives who are for mandatory vaccines. Not just weird, but hilariously un-self-aware.

 

Vaccinated get it less and spread is less when they do get it.

Until we see the numbers go down, probably a couple of months. This variant will churn through the population quickly.

 

They were not about Omicron.

 

If that were true, 85%+ vaccinated countries would not experience their worst wave (cases) ever.

 

You read these reports and base what you believe on what you learn from them, I read here when people who have some knowledge of the virus talk to each other. I read the questions and answers and often find them to be contradictive and I believe that is mainly because we don't understand the world wide view of it all. I base what I believe on my personal experience and what I see and know to be true.

 

Why is it none of our business when their behavior impacts us? We don't put up with people driving drunk or stoned.

Can we expect them to take steps to do their share to slow the spread of covid? Should unvaccinated people pay more for healthcare?

You're proposing something regarding fat folks and covid?

So, we should "teach" people they should get vaccinated and not listen to anti-vaxxer morons?

I was thinking about anti-vaxxers.

Aside from consequences mother nature metes out, what do you have in mind?

You haven't said what you propose.

What would you do about the vaccinations?

I think you're equating forcing someone to take a vaccine with forcing a woman to give birth. I don't see it.

 

I gave you what I thought you might be interested in reading. You should make no assumptions about my personal personal research.

I rely on scientific research.