If there is a God, does he want us to get the vaccine?

What nasty attitude ? All I have done is pointed out your contradiction .. claiming nothing other than faith is required .. then saying that faith needs to be tested.

Now you say that testing is not required for salvation .. which is what I stated originally "Faith Alone" doctrine .. the Free Pass hypothesis .. and you protested vehimently. saying "the Bible says it is necessary to test your faith "Examine yourselves, to see whether you are in the faith.

No need to call folks swine for asking you to clarify your contradictory position. You are the one who seems in doubt of your own faith .. needing to test it and all .. and you still havn't stated how much faith is required for salvation

Regardless -- you are welcome to believe you have a Free pass through Judgement via the man made doctrine of Idol Martin Luther .. even though this goes against what the majority of Christianity believes.

 

Your loaded questions are not Gods divine will. Perhaps you should ask him.

 

I am not the one who professes to know God's will directly .. Tis you that has been making this claim .. but, unable to answer simple questions about what the Will of God entails.

You council looking to Scripture .. but when asked a question from scripture you run and hide .. calling the question "Loaded" .. such a tangled web you weave ..

Is it God's will that children be killed for the sins of their parents or not -- If you truly know God's will as you claim .. you should be able to muster a simple Yes/No.

 

Your dishonesty is tedious. Likewise your malice. So I leave you to it. Follow God or the blind. It's your call brother.

 

Pure projection - I have said nothing dishonest . only asked you to tell us what God's will is.. something you claimed to know, but will not answer simple question from the Bible related to what God's will is. - Is it "Gods Will" that children be killed for the sins of their Parents ?

Do you know God's will or not .. or do you only know God's will about certain things - .... you mentioned Salvation .. The Free Pass .. that it is God's will that you recieve a Free pass through Judgement on the basis of simple "Faith" .. what ever that means .. as you won't clarify .. rendering the term meaningless and void .. as it seems is your claim to know God's will .. unable to articulate what this Will is .. even to yourself - and getting mad at me for asking .. calling me "dishonest" .. acting with Malice .. desperate to demonize the messenger.

And you call this web avoidance and deception - "Truth" "Following Gods Will" Faith in a path that leads nowhere, because you can't figure out / articulate where that path begins .. or describe anything about that path .. wandering aimlessly in a circle trying to convince yourself and others that this is God's will ... and Perhaps it is .. some lesson you are supposed to learn .. Who am I to say what God has up his sleeve

 

God went to a lot of trouble putting viruses into His Grand Plan. To not allow them into your body to sicken and kill you is a Sacrilege!! A Sacrilege, I say!!!!!
/ sarcasm

 

I can't find God for you, Gif. I'm not you. Salvation is how you live your daily life according to Jesus Christs direction and gospel. It involves prayer, practicing forgiveness, asking for forgiveness, charity, kindness, fasting and so forth...whatever your day brings and how you approach it. Along the course, one learns line upon line, and precept upon precept. Of course the first principles of salvation are recognizing that Jesus Christ is the living Gods Son, believing in him, repentance, baptism and receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost by one having the Priesthood authority to do so. In my experience, I was first given a personal revelation that God is real and that he lives. This enabled me to accept, believe and trust that repentance, baptism and the rest are the right way to go. So I am unaware of other means of conversion.

Knowing that God lives does not make me an oracle, or of God a jack in the box, where you crank the handle and up pops the secret answer to some question. I have no clue if it is "Gods will that children be killed for the sins of their Parents." Did you find that in the gospel of Jesus? What has it to do with salvation? It has no bearing on mine. And none on yours, imo. In fact, there is nothing in my vast ignorance or extent of my shortcomings that I would hold to Gods derision or against him. It would be foolish of me to do so. Knowing him and his knowledge of me is the best of me. What remains is a husk to be sloughed off. I am like a planters field, and he the planter. I bear up that which is pleasing to him. And his pleasure is a pleasure to me. Is it not ones affinity to bring a smile to his Parents face? Did not Jesus say, "suffer the little children to come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of heaven"?

It kind of makes one wonder why he established and peopled his church among adults, rather than a Priesthood of children. Then again, perhaps for adults and sinners is why he came in the first place. Strange that he would empower the sinful adults to rule, and then entrust his children to them, like lambs to the slaughter. Nevertheless, his gospel and Priesthood is the means of our rebirth and the fulfillment of his admonition that one must be reborn of water and spirit to see or enter heaven.

I don't know if this answers your question satisfactorily , as I don't know the context of your question. But it seems a type in the realm of salvation. So I'd have to say that imo, it is not Gods will that children be killed for their Parents sins. But rather that Gods love be reflected in Parents love for their children. However, our free agency is the hinge or pivot to eternity.

 

I have not asked you to find God for me .. You forget who you are talking to .... already told you I met God.. believe that meeting to be real - so no need to Search.

You on the other hand keep claiming "God is Here .. God is there - God is this - God is that" putting God into a Box so you know where to find her.

Salvation is not what you describe - Salvation is making it through the pearly gates What you describe might be things someone might follow in order to achieve salvation.

What you are trying to say is .. "someone who is truly saved behaves like X, Y Z --- usurping the position of Jesus - who are you to dictate what actions represent "Salvation" .. one who is saved in the eyes of God -- and who is not.

Do you not see the irony .. you desperately trying to attach deeds to salvation .. after claiming "No deeds Required". Now you are saying "if you don't do these deeds you are not Saved"

Not that you are not on the right path ... you just missed the boat on Sola Fide .. got caught up in a man made Dogma that deep down you know makes no sense .. You strip out deeds from salvation .. then spend the rest of your time trying to get deeds back into salvation .. finding yourself defining the word salvation by deeds .. as per your comments above.

Which brings us back to the question of God's will -- is one who kills children for the sins of the parents - one who is "saved" .. are these the actions of a "Saved one" -- fit into your re-definition of "Salvation"

"Forgive them Father - For they know not What they do"

1) You claiming to know God's will - to know what defines Salvation - who is saved .. who is not - does indeed make you an oracle.
2) I think you do have a clue what Jesus would say to the nasty question you have been so pissed about .. calling me all kinds of names and so on .. (and I would hope so claiming to know the will of the Father and all) - but if you don't know saying "I have no clue" - then I would claim you don't know Jesus very well .. least not the one as described in the Good book. .. nor the one described by your personal expericence of what God is.

3) The nasty question was found in the Bible .. which I peronsally would not classify as the Gospel of Jesus .. Do you ? Is the Entire Bible "God's Will" - and Jesus being God as per Trinity Doctrine the entire Bible the will / doings of Jesus ... .. Thy Kingdome come .. Thy Will be done.

4) Matt 7:24 "Only those that do the Will of the Father" - make it through the Pearly Gates. Hence why this question is important.. and the nasty question that got you so miffed.

5) The reason you don't remember your life previous to coming to Earth .. is because that is not how the game is played .. If you "Knew for Sure" that would ruin the game ... negate the whole point of taking a vacation - Thats why there is no "Free Pass" for sale.

6) The Truth -- is that we do not know for sure .. The only Truth you can be sure of and that Karma is a Biatch !

 

For some reason you find this topic offensive and you resort to twisting what others say so you can argue for the sake of arguing.

If you want to know what "pearls to the swine" means, you can google it.

Yep.

"For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing"

 

You are the one getting all offended - dealing in deception and avoidance.. crying "twisting of my words" .. but offering no example .. because you can't deal with the consequences of your own words .. and the contradictions you refer to as "Pearls"

The Message of the Cross is not "Faith Alone" You are confusing the man made dogma of Idol Martin Luther with the teachings of Christ.

Jesus can give out free passes as he desires .. but these can not be purchased by the act of having faith .. There is no free pass through Judgement and you are a blasphemer for claiming such a thing out of the mouth of Jesus .. usurping the position of the Logos .. Putting words in the mouth of Jesus .. "Twisting what Jesus says" .. then projecting the twisting of words onto others.

This is not The Truth - The Way - The Light .. but down the dark path of decpetion .. the vacuous void is all that can be gleaned from your post.

 

Ok, so I am a blasphemer for believing what Jesus taught. All righty then.

Purchased.....? What the heck......

Keep twisting, so you can make a case for your accusations.

Spin, twist, rant and rave. That's your 'gospel'.

 

Jesus did not teach "Faith Alone" .. you are a blasphemer for claiming he did. ... You are the one twisting the words of Jesus to try to justify the the teachings of your Martin Luther Idol.

"not all who cry Lord Lord" will make it into the Kingdom" Only the one who does the "Will of the Father" Matt 7:21 The false prophets preaching this doctrine .. into the fire like a tree that bears bad fruit ..Matt 7: 15-20 and your tree bears no fruit at all.

Matt 7: 24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock

The doers not the hearers of the word is what Jesus says .. going on to call the "Faith Alone" crowd Foolish.

Thats what Jesus has to say about the Faith Alone crowd .. those who only hear the word .. but think salvation can be had from doing nothing.

 

Again...?

You sir, can go pound sand, and you can pound you nasty attitude into the ground as well.

Spin, twist, rant and rave.....

 

Whats wrong mate .. Can't handle the teachings of Jesus .. calling his teachings "Spin, Twist, Rant, Rave" ..

Jesus did not teach "Faith Alone" .. .. You are the one twisting the words of Jesus to try to justify the the teachings of your Martin Luther Idol then projecting your doings onto others.

"not all who cry Lord Lord" will make it into the Kingdom" Only the one who does the "Will of the Father" Matt 7:21 The false prophets preaching this doctrine .. into the fire like a tree that bears bad fruit ..Matt 7: 15-20 and your tree bears no fruit at all.

Matt 7: 24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock

The doers not the hearers of the word is what Jesus says .. going on to call the "Faith Alone" crowd Foolish.

Thats what Jesus has to say about the Faith Alone crowd .. those who only hear the word .. but think salvation can be had from doing nothing.

 

No, its your childish accusations I have no interest for.

See, you just did it again, and you do it with practically every post you make. You twisted my words to sound like I said its Jesus who spins and twists. Its not Jesus, - its you, and shame on you for such dishonesty.

 

You have claimed Jesus is the purveyor of "Faith Alone" doctrine .. that is a statement of Fact .. not an "accusation"

Jesus professed no such doctrine .. it is you who is dishonestly putting words in the mouth of Jesus .. claiming he professed this man made dogma from your Martin Luther Idol - when the reverse is true. Twisting the teachings of Jesus to mean the reverse of what Jesus said.

"not all who cry Lord Lord" will make it into the Kingdom" Only the one who does the "Will of the Father" Matt 7:21

The false prophets preaching "Faith Alone" .. into the fire like a tree that bears bad fruit says Jesus ..Matt 7: 15-20

Matt 7: 24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock

The doers of the word says Jesus -- not those who merely "believe" they are saved on the basis of words without deeds.

Put words in the mouth of Christ you have ... the "unforgivable sin" .. the "Awful Horror" - abomination of desolation - usurping the position of the logos .. substituting your idol Martin Luther into the place of Jesus. This is blasphamy .. full stop.

 

Some time ago, in a response to another poster, I said our choice in life is basically between following either Gods will or mans philosophies, which in point is to either be based on certainty or to gamble ones eternal welfare. You took issue with this by telling me that following Gods will is following "man made dogma," as if to suggest that no one can know Gods will. Now you've come full circle by rehearsing to me your own man made version(dogma) of Gods will. Talk about an exercise in vanity. Clearly you have no clue what you're talking about. You just lie till you get caught atop your mountain of deceit. If you don't know something, just say so. But don't pretend that your stunning ignorance is someone else's shackle. While I only know Gods will in a small crucial part. You know and understand nothing about God. And yet you presume to lecture me and tell me I can't know what I know. Are you jealous? You shouldn't be. Nothing I've said is to my own stature, but to Gods honor, glory and purpose. Perhaps you envy God. Do you think that you are God? For your sake, I hope not. Your Karma may be a "biatch". But God is merciful. At least he has been towards me, or else I could not say so.

 

There is something in the fallen human nature to be offended by the message of the cross. My brother is the same way. The topic is forbidden with him.

 

God wants you to consult your doctor first. God is disgusted with Biden’s handling of the COVID epidemic. God knows Fauci lied about masks and lied about gain of function research. God believes Fauci should be prosecuted for perjury, but God knows earthly punishment is the least of Fauci’s problems.

 

What a steaming pile of deception .. I said no such thing .. did not claim following God's will is following man made dogma.

It is you that has been trying to substitute the man made dogma of Martin Luther for Gods will.

 

so you met God and you know God real huh

God is a female huh

Im sure there are lots of people that would like to know more about God since you are buddies.

 

Ask any question you like .. I do not dodge and hide in the corner like you .. not ashamed of my religious beliefs like you .. Still waiting for you to tell us when you figure the Soul Arrives ... or if you believe in such a thing.

Lost in your own web of denial and self delusion you are.

 

gladly as soon as you explain WTF a soul is.
I want to know all about the God you meet up with you went silent on that

 

Told you what I believe a soul is (The Will / Awareness) .. you may believe something different .. or not in a soul at all. What I see is someone desperate to avoid stating their position ... ashamed of your own religious (or other) beliefs.

I did not go silent on anything .. I am not ashamed of my beliefs like you .. told you to ask anything you want - humoring your rabbit hole .. your desperate desire to avoid the question of the soul.. divert - deny - decieve.

Had an NDE - 10 or 11 yrs old - German measles - Fever so high skin was peeling off my John Thomas like a snake- could not get away from heat .. situation was serious .. went to sleep - had a dream - found myself on the floor of a cave - it was cool - water dripping from ceiling.. having felt like being roasted alive for an extended period of time .. this was a welcome and most pleasurable relief from the hell I had previously been. Standard formula -- went into the light - up in some surreal place .. had a guide .. went to "the thing" call this God if you wish ... wasn't like you were brought to some dude with a beard sitting on a thrown .. more like a Star Trek Movie .. a pulsing blob . but it was not even that clear .. "The thing" .. have no description other than there was a presence .

the only interaction was a question .. "Want to stay here or go back" .. and that's all I can tell you about God ... but perhaps may shed light on the soul ... for those that believe in such things.

Over to you mate . - the fellow who was calling me "Atheist" .. humor
Tell me - When do you think the soul arrives - and Why ?

 

but I asked for facts, that means what a soul is, not your beliefs.