Patient removed from heart transplant list for refusing Covid-19 vaccine

Sooooo. You think the natural immune response to a vaccine, which is short lived and usually mild is worse than the disease?

 

No, this is about healthcare in general. That excuse could be used for any number of procedures, medications, or urgent care.

This perfectly explains WHY so many people are opposed to Universal Healthcare. It has nothing to do with poor people and everything to do with authoritarians, who have showed us what that system would look like.

 

That is not what I said. You are right about modern drugs and surgery saving lives. Thats why I am an organ/tissue/marrow donor.

The vast majority of illness is the result of poor lifestyle and meds only mask symptoms to the patient can comfortably continue their unhealthy habits. Americans are fatter and sicker than ever in spite of record profits for pharma companies.

I will be happy to clarify my position any time you want. There is no need to invent a position for me.

 

Obviously, someone who took care of themselves faced with a genetic condition is a better choice than someone who developed their condition by sniffing glue. I do not believe this pharma product, improperly referred to as a "vaccine", should be a determinate.

 

I am an expert and do not have a b12 deficiency. I am not stupid and know that our record levels of illness is not due to a pharma product deficiency.

You are missing the point. Lets use your example and deny Republicans donated organs. While we're at it, why not let donors choose which set of beliefs qualifies someone to receive their parts? Its far from ethical.

 

What? You mean that a Covid vaccine could be required for all sorts of other procedures too? Slippery slope and all that? So far as I'm aware people may be asked to test negative for elective surgeries etc., but so far as mandating a vaccine in general is concerned, I can't see why that would happen, if most staff are vaccinated, etc. and patients are tested negative.

In countries with UHC, the nature of healthcare is determined by healthcare professionals.

 

There was no need to invent a position for you. Your sweeping disdain for medical professionals and pharmaceuticals was perfectly clear. Kudos on the donation front.

 

No reasonable person could extract "disdain" or "its all bologna" from my post. The vast majority of illnesses are preventable and the vast majority of Covid hospitalizations/deaths are those with existing illnesses.

Americans are fatter and sicker than ever and it is not the result of a pharma product deficiency. 1/3 of Americans are diabetic or pre-diabetic. Knowing this does not equal disdain and is nowhere near the position you replied to.

Does that clarify my position enough for you to reply?

 

Where did I advocate denying Republicans organ transplants?

 

Soooooo - you suggesting we deny admission to hospital anyone who is not young fit and health?

 

Opps

 

YOU:
"Medical professionals are the third leading cause of death"
"Results show plenty of reasons to doubt medical professionals and pharma products"
"Pharma products in their prescribed dose have a death rate as well"

Sounds pretty disdainful to me.

Yes, I know the population's fatter and sicker than ever. And I totally agree that meds are dealing with the symptoms, not the root cause. Given the outcry against covid containment measures and the vaccine on certain fronts, I have ZERO hope that a massive campaign to deal with this will have even the remotest chance of success. The UK put a sugar tax on drinks a few years ago. Can you imagine if they tried that here, lol.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/soft-drinks-industry-levy-comes-into-effect

 

Given the much higher mortality rates post surgery if the patient has COVID I would suggest that in many places vaccination is mandatory

 

Based on results, this "vaccine" is mostly a political product, so those that support denying the donated organ based on the patients refusal to consume this product are holding political beliefs over the patients head.

No. I oppose making them sick in the first place. Here in the US, we subsidize a very poor diet.

 

What “gets” me is how difficult it is, at least here, to get unsugared drinks at venues. Iced tea - has sugar because they make it with syrup. I am a stirrer and I love challenging franchise people about this - What drinks do you have that do not have sugar. Answer “Diet “Coke”. No, I do not want to spend my money on Coca Cola - what other drinks do you have -blank stare.

 

There are times I really really really wish the American right would start thinking outside of America

I am Australian there are a whole lot of us on here as well as Canadians and Brits and Europeans. All of us face vaccine mandates of some degree, depending on the country. All of us are dealing with this virus. This patient would not be put on the transplant list in AUSTRALIA or the UK or EUROPE or CANADA

So tell me again how this is “political” because it seems to me you are assuming he is a republican based solely on his refusal of the vaccine

 

LOL when you said "stirrer" I thought you were complaining because you like to put the sugar in yourself so you can stir it. DUH. I'm a stirrer too, when they have fancy schmancy names for ordinary things. I keeping saying it like it is.

 

The disdain I have for food giants and big pharma profiting from making/keeping sick with the help of politicians, does not apply to the examples you gave.

The US also has a type of sugar tax. Corn is subsidized and is turned into sugar. (High fructose corn syrup) 10% of food subsidies is spent on these sweetened beverages and once symptoms show, we subsidize the pharm products that mask symptoms so that the patient can continue their unhealthy habits. This one example is a triple subsidy. I would never consume this kind of product, but I am forced to pay to grow it and buy it for others.

This ineffective pharma product, incorrectly labeled as a "vaccine", should not be a determinate in organ transplants.

As someone who raced motorcycles, I am grateful to live in a time where I can receive modern medical treatment to save my life, or at least use my parts to save others.

 

I made no such assumption and I am far from the right. I used political beliefs as an example predicting that reasonable people would oppose it. Based on results, this ineffective pharma product incorrectly labeled a "vaccine" is more about political beliefs than preventing illness.

This patient is being denied his spot on the list because he is refusing to consume a political product.

 

How so when multiple countries are using this same vaccine

 

Results show that the vaccine does not prevent contracting or spreading Covid. It is an inferior pharm product, but a superior political product.

 

Why? Did you balk when Schools required your Kid(s) to receive their vaccines for numerous other ailments all created by "big pharma?"

 

Results also show it greatly reduces your risks of spending time in a Hospital and it greatly increases your chance of survival.

Kevlar vests can't prevent you from being shot. Seatbelts can't prevent you from being in a car accident. Glasses can't prevent you from going blind. I'm sure you are reaching for a point somewhere.

 

Did you get your polio booster yet? Oh yea! You don't need one because its actually a vaccine!

I don't have to reach at all. So what are the long term effects of seat belts and body armor? None.

On the subject of glasses, I still need them for distance, but have found that regular eye exercise improved vision. While others need a stronger prescription every 2 years, my eyesight has actually improved!

 

The flu vaccine doesn't prevent you from getting the flu. The shingles vaccine doesn't prevent you from getting shingles. The pneumonia vaccine doesn't prevent you from getting pneumonia, yet all three are still considered vaccines to science and folks with average intelligence.

Great! So give up the glasses since eye exercises are doing wonders for ya. Just like having an immune system, you don't need a vaccine, you have eyes, no need for glasses.