Patient removed from heart transplant list for refusing Covid-19 vaccine

Explain how multiple widely different countries using widely different vaccines are ALL facing the same issues?
We have just “re-opened” and despite high vaccination rate (over 91%. First dose) we are seeing widespread transmission BUT we are not seeing the number of ICU admissions

no link as it is email. We have watched in real time, the ratio of ventilated to infected patients fall as vaccination has become more widespread

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02...-wave-return-to-school-case-numbers/100794216

So the very elderly are still vulnerable despite the vaccine but we are talking patients in aged care facilities who may well have “Do not resuscitate” orders in place

 

Well that's because Australia basically kept people separated/isolated, you can't say definitively if this would have been the norm without vaccination.. It's like most anything concerning the human condition, you can't possible get accurate numbers until people attempt go back to NORMAL life.. For some people the benefits of the vax has a very short stay..

Good luck..

 

Every hospital has a panel which decides such things. Call it a death panel if you must, but they do make life and death decisions.

Lot of hospitals suspended surgeries due to Covid spikes,

Over the years we have been told a million times that health care is not a right, it is a privilege.

Its likely that they made the call based on the fact that someone weakened by a major surgery would almost certainly die from Covid if he/she got sick from it.

Someone will always get them. If not her, then someone else.

Its not about political tribalism. That idea is a projection from your part. Hospitals / doctors are in charge of these kinds of decisions, not politicians. Just because Dems are more likely to listen to doctors, doesn't mean they dictate what hospitals do.

 

You are the woke poster here constantly raving about race and your victimhood.

 

this is for-profit care, this is what for-profit care looks like

 

I have no idea how saying "medical professionals are the third leading cause of death" is not disdainful of the medical profession. However, I see you're now limiting your critique to food giants and big pharma, so moving on...

There's plenty to dislike if not outright hate about big pharma, but not the drugs themselves, which you agree, save lives. And naturally they have no interest in reducing the prevalence of conditions that they profit from. The big problem as you say is that they profit "with the help of politicians". Their entanglement with politicians is designed to ward off or curtail any and all attempts to do something which may impact those profits. Notably, marketing restrictions and price controls.

Re the latter, anyone who buys into the myth that the US subsidizes cheap drugs elsewhere is buying into a myth propagated by big pharma, among politicians and the public alike, in order to justify their unjustifiable prices. Or in other words hide the fact that the US is being ripped off, just because they can. The truth is, they can set their own prices in countries with universal healthcare provided that they can justify those prices in terms of efficacy and comparison to other drugs. These conditions are designed to bring prices in line with what they would be in a free market where exactly the same forces would be in play.

As for the vaccine, sure, they've profited but a lot of thinking about how that plays out ventures into conspiracy theory territory.

And, you can say it's ineffective, and it certainly has shortcomings in terms of transmission, but in terms of severity of illness and deaths all the metrics - what's happening to actual people - say otherwise.

 

I am sure that scientists and medical professionals are highly intelligent. They know how to produce record profits even though results show Americans are sicker than ever. I have no issue with you consuming pharma products if you choose. When it comes to my body, I am an expert and know that 100% of pharm products have side effects. I also know that doctors are considered the 3rd leading cause of death.

I do not consume the flu, pneumonia, shingles, Covid vaccines because I took the time to research how to maintain a strong immune system. I can't remember the last time I had a cold or flu.

I realize you are using humor and appreciate it, but jokes aside, Americans are fatter and sicker than ever in spite of record consumption of pharma products (And record profits). You simply cannot make the case that good health comes from a pharmacy.

 

Those decisions are not based on the patients beliefs or lifestyle choices.

 

You are focusing on only one factor, while completely omitting the main factors in Covid hospitalization/death. Long before the vaccine was available, the risk of hospitalization/death for healthy people was already extremely low. While the elderly, sick, and frail may be better off consuming this product, results show that there is no reason to impose closures, mandates, and pharm products on healthy people.

 

So Pro Line, but for the last decade it longer we’ve been told health care is a human right and that’s why we have Obamacare. Can you name me one democrat politician saying healthcare is a privilege and not a right? If it was simply a privilege hospitals would be able to turn away illegal aliens.

 

And now we are hearing it from you, which tends to show that you are in agreement with those who have said it in the past

Oh, they agree with you 100% in saying its a right. Its you who flip-flopped on this, not them.

 

You are free to do whatever you please with your body. I am curious though however, if God forbid you get horribly ill and have to spend time in a Hospital, will you accept whatever drug they know you need in order to get you feeling better? Or will you tell them no thanks, your immune system is good enough?

Serious questions.

 

I have already corrected your misunderstanding twice. I do not limit my observations to only the food and drug companies. The entire "healthcare" industry and the politicians acting on their behalf are doing more harm than good.

The US absolutely subsidizes Pharm products. This vaccine is an example of not only tapping into tax money, but using politicians to strong arm people into consuming their product. They even receive legal protection from any damage the drug causes.

Speaking of all the metrics, what is the risk of hospitalization/death for healthy people that do not consume this product?

 

That is a fair question, but far too vague. I have been in the hospital with injuries and have had surgery. Healing and "feeling better" are not the same thing. I would refuse drugs to mask symptoms unless I was in intolerable pain. I did break my shoulder blade in a snowboarding accident and was prescribed pain killers. I filled the prescription, but did not take any.

 

Ok, Let's say you are in the Hospital for Covid, again, God forbid, and the Hospital started pumping you full of non FDA approved medications to help your immune system fight off the pneumonia that has taken over. Would you allow the Hospital to give you these non FDA approved medications? Let's say they are FDA approved, as the vaccines currently are, would you allow the Hospital to give them to you?

If so, this brings me to my last question, why would you want to put yourself through all of that when the vaccines have been proven to help humans deal with Covid far better than without being vaccinated?

 

I wasn't talking about "the US" subsidizing pharmaceuticals. I was talking about the false claim that Big Pharma makes, that it is necessary to charge US consumers more because they can hardly make any money in other countries - or in other words, that US consumers are subsidizing cheap prices overseas. This is what they want people to believe - especially politicians - in order to be left alone to keep ripping US consumers off. While of course getting all the other perks and benefits, courtesy pharma-friendly politicians.

I think we're essentially on the same page on this one. Other aspects, maybe not so much.

 

I think you are placing too much trust in the FDA. Have you noticed all the class action lawsuits for damage caused by products the FDA deemed "Safe and effective"?

This product comes with a "use at your own risk" disclaimer.

BTW, I have been exposed to Covid many times. My wife had it and I kissed her several times in the 3 days before she had symptoms. My son also had it at the same time and I touched the same door, faucet, cabinet handles. Of course, they got the shots and I didn't!

To answer your question, I would decide on treatment at that time. If I am unconscious, I have a living trust with a my instructions.

 

Gotcha. Thanks for clarifying. One thing I hope we can agree on is avoiding processed foods and staying active.

 

This is why you don't want politicians in control of your healthcare.