Trans Athlete Severely Injures Girls Volleyball Player With Spike — District Forfeits Games For Girl

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  1. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How often do you see male genitalia in the restrooms you are visiting?
     
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    You are missing the point.

    Allowing someone with a penis the ability to flash women in women washrooms under the guise of trans rights is the issue. You are making female safe spaces not safe.
     
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    I'm glad you posted this video, it confirms what I've suspected, that they are "playing up" the incident. My daughter plays volleyball, center striker. Many of my family members play some sort of volleyball.
    That was no devastating hit. In fact, it's almost impossible to get those injuries from a volleyball. I've seen dozens of harder hits, not always to the face, in each match, maybe each set. The injuries described seem exaggerated, and I suspect if the striker was a female there would be no stink about it.The worst injuries usually occur from two girls running into each other, or hitting the floor diving for a save.
    THAT SAID, I vehemently disagree with trans males competing on girls teams for sports, particularly in high school.
    There is too much of a physical advantage, and it's not fair to the girls who have worked hard to make the team or start.
    I understand that some males identify as females and vice versa, but that doesn't mean they should inflict their beliefs on others.
    We ALL have rights. Sometimes they conflict.
     
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  4. Steve N

    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The science determining who is and isn't man and a woman has been around for a very long time. The measurements that determine who is a man or woman are scientifically proven and repeatable. There is no measurement for feelings, especially when those feelings can bounce back and forth on a whim. The only deciding factor should be is if you have this chromosome you go on this team, and if you have that chromosome you go on that team.
     
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    I think concussion like sympoms and vision issues seems reasonable due to the direct impact of the ball to her face. And your right...if it were a female who spiked the ball none of this would be even talked about. Just a fluke injury in the sport.

    But when you have men in the sport against women now the questions always going to be asked...was this injury's severity due to the ability of a man spiking the ball harder than a woman can? That is a fair question, asolutlely.
     
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    I disagree with your first part about the injury being played up.

    Twice I've seen people either knocked out or sent for a loop when hit in the head by a basketball and a football. In a women's softball game in a whip league I once say the catcher need to take a long break after catching a foul tip off her face mask.
     
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    Flashing someone in a restroom is a crime — we need to arrest these individuals and get them off the streets.

    So you are wanting to penalize law abiding citizens because you are scared what criminals will do? I thought that was only an argument gun-grabbers used.

    Do you support post-op trans individuals to use the restroom they have transitioned to?
     
  8. ToughTalk

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    It is a crime of which you are enabling by allowing a penis entry into that space.

    Post op trans can use the washroom as they do not possess the equipment and they are not just slapping on a wig and declaring trans.
     
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    I'm not saying she didn't take a good hit to the face. She did. But it happens in volleyball all the time, and I see harder hits from girls all the time (we do have a serious volleyball team though).
    Getting hit in the face with a volleyball is different from a basketball, football or soccer ball. My daughter plays soccer, also, and I've seen some fairly devastating kicks to the face that puts the other girl down.
    Volleyballs are much lighter and softer than other sports' balls. Not saying I haven't seen some tough hits, but many of the girls on my daughters team hit much harder than that. Of course, I'm not an expert or a doctor, but It's difficult to believe she got a concussion from that. If so, there would be numerous each match.

    MY OPINION IS that the girl who was hit was a little embarrassed (shouldn't be, but it happens) and because it was a transgender player who hit her, there was more offense taken to it.
    Again, not sticking up for the striker, who shouldn't be playing on a girls team. At least not on the girls school team. I just don't think that "identifying as" and "being" are the same thing, and likely never really will be.
    I know I wouldn't want a biological male in my daughters locker room, or playing against her in volleyball or soccer.
     
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    To me it sounds like you've been around sports a lot, I have. Sometimes injuries seem to occur when nothing happens. I've played football, hockey, baseball, softball and golf, and believe it or not, I broke my ribs playing golf. I also broke my nose playing 8-ball, but that was because of a fight that broke out over the game I was playing which has nothing to do with what happened to this girl, but I thought I'd throw it in anyway.

    Concussions don't occur because of the object that hits your head. Concussions occur when your head violently moves fast and the brain get squished up against the skull. Football players work on building up their neck muscles just to prevent their heads from moving like that. If the girl in this story had her head move suddenly and forcefully, she could have a legit concussion.
     
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    Are you saying that females can spike a ball at the same velocity as men? I doubt that. But at least we all agree that men should not be competing in women's sports. Full stop.
     
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    When you conflated physical equality to equal rights and injected it into the conversation.

    When did anyone else?
     
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    These two expressions are equal. A(234+187) = B(379 + 42)/2. They are not the same. Equal != same.

    If you swap A for B in this equation you would have a radically different outcome...
     
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    It remains the liberal side that supports this and enough that they are forcing it into our schools.
     
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    In physicality? Or is your reading comprehension suffering in what is the topic of this thread?
     
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    No, not point blank like that, but I've seen girls hit a lot harder than the one on the video hundreds of times. Some of these girls (and boys) can hit!
    And I'm not saying that the girl who got hit didn't suffer some, I'm sure she did. And someone could conceivably get a concussion from a hit in the face with a volleyball. I guess in other words, if she got a concussion, it would be rare from such incident. And it wouldn't be because it was a hit from a transgender player, because many girls hit harder than that. Here's what I could find quickly:

    It's entirely possible that the girl that was struck was injured, maybe concussed (I shouldn't have assumed so much earlier @Steve N)
    But the incident wasn't really because the striker was a transgender male. It could have easily happened from a girl hitting the ball.
    But that also illustrates the bigger point I was making, that just because a biological male identifies as a female doesn't mean they should be able to compete in women's sports, or change in their dressing room.
    The bathroom issue, to me, is a moot point, as they already can use the non assigned bathroom as long as they look like a man or woman.
    Not sure if all my typing is helping, but I will say my earlier statements were a little arrogant.
     
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    And I've seen people get hurt on less of an impact. Some people can take head trauma...some can't. If her brain smashed against her skull inside...she got concussed. **** happens.
     
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    I am surprised you would have the same argument as gun grabbers.
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I never conflated anything, I used a dictionary definition. I cannot help that people assume.

    As to where others did, the pages of rants with YELLING remarks are a fair indication for someone actually looking.
     
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    Take it up with the dictionary
     
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    No you conflated a discussion of PHYSICAL equality with that or equal rights. So just drop it and discuss the topic HERE.
     
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    Why is it so hard for the left to understand the differences between men and women and it constantly has to be explained it to them?
     
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    You can mix boys and girls in physical sports. It's happened. I've seen it and played it. I've seen women rugby players level male ones trying their best. I didn't see you post in outrage when that happened. Are you upset by me telling you that?

    I'm fairly certain there are female volleyball players who could injure me with their spikes. Or any other man. Women are not more prone to suffering blunt trauma then men. Nor are men more resistant to it.

    If a female softball pitcher pitched a ball at your head would you shake it off because it wasn't a pitch by man? If you say yes, I demand a demonstration.
     
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    I think even many who believe in trans rights think there should be limits when it comes to sports. Going through male puberty is like a female using steroids, and so if a person doesn't block this puberty they should be ineligible for women's sports, perhaps with some guidelines on how to establish eligibility, such as a low testosterone level for a number of years if it could be fair at that point. If not, then they simply may need to give up competitive sports. If it's really who they are, it's just how it is. Can't be unfair to other people just because they have problems.

    Uh no. This isn't medieval Europe where we fight with swords using brute strength. A woman can fire a gun just as well.
     
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