Trump’s Money Man Just Linked Him to Tax Fraud Scheme

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  1. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    he is above the law it seems

    Basically Trump gets caught, the right just says he has learned his lesson

    the question is, what lesson, that he can get away with anything?
     
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  2. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    I'm not interested in vacuous ranting and weasel words.

    You made an allegation, the onus is on you to substantiate it.

    Vacuous ranting is not substantiation.

    So...

    Please list specific disturbing items about Hillary that are similar to Trump, cite incidents, events, and links to support the allegation.

    If you can't do that, your comment is dismissed.
     
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  3. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    No, I'm asking you, you made the allegation.

    Specifics, please.
     
  4. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    I asked you for specifics.

    If you have them, I'll look at it.

    If not, you're comment is dismissed.
     
  5. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    I'm interested in YOUR argument.

    Not that of others.

    State your specifics, and use links to supplement, back up, your arguments, not BE or REPLACE your arguments.

    That's how debates work.

    Posting to videos without your argument is lazy. What data pont are you substantiating? You didn't say.

    If you make an argument, and link to a video, give the timestamp citation that supports your allegation. Don't expect me to watch the entire thing.

    So, I repeat:

    If you have facts which prove Hillary is 'evil' or have things 'equally disturbing' about her as Trump, , then please see if you can


    1. State your specifics.

    2. Substantiate your claim (an article, a video with timestamped reference, a document, a court case, whatever).

    Can you do that?

    If not, then, your comment is dismissed.
     
  6. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Not interested in your vague rants or your suggestions or weasel words nor your vacuous allegations & accusations.

    I'm here to debate specifics.

    Anything else is a waste of time.

    If you have something specific you want to debate, let's debate.

    Either you do or your don't. If you don't, then bother someone else.
     
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  7. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Please list crimes and substantiation of them.

    Hunter has been under investigation by Delaware US Attorney for about 3 years now, and nothing has become of it, yet.

    IF you have evidence against Joe Biden, provide it. That 'big guy' email is not evidence.


    This, is evidence,

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    one of a number of checks totally $130k to pay for Stormy Daniel's (Cohen was the bag man) hush money, source of felony campaign violation for which Trump was listed as unindicted co-conspirator. Entered as exhibit in the Cohen indictment.
     
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  8. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Hang in there, I'm sure he will eventually be indicted.
     
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    Which is none. :)
     
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    You brought up unsubstantiated claims about Trump I give Hillary's husband whom she supported and defended and is still worshipped by the Dems/Left. Go read about the Bimbo squad which she led to to attacknhis accusers even hiring a private dective to intimidate them.

    Hillary scammed in her Whitewate/Castle Grande real estate deals and Cattlegate deal and their charity had to pay a HUGE fine for their violations.
     
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    I appreciate it. They are now on my list on Audible! Heres one I thought was worth reading (Listening to)

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    Trump is a billionaire and thus gets special treatment as most aristocrats do.
     
  13. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    BFD, The Clinton foundation has 2000 staff worldwide doing charitable work.
    Trump's charity was on paper, employed no one, was used as his personal slush fund, was shut down for 'illegal activity' and Trump had to pay $2,000,000 fine, not ot mention he paid $25,000,000 in a class action lawsuit where he scamed thousands out of millions for a fake university, not to mention his being listed as unindicted co-conspirator on a felony campaign violation in which he paid a porn star he fornicated with just after his newly wed wife gave birth, paid her $130k hush money.

    And nothing she has done compares to subverting the election:

    https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Interim Staff Report FINAL.pdf

    subvertingjustice.jpg

    If you don't give a damn about that, why in holy hell would you care about Hillary?

    You have no leg to stand on.
     
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    the question is going to be will the jury believe him. I think they will and will convict Trump Organization of criminal Tax Fraud under NY state law. But Trump won't be indicted by the NY grand jury because of the Presidential run. This would mean the organization will have the liablility due plus whatever criminal tax penalities are charged.
     
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    Love Haidt. Been reading The Coddling of the American Mind by him and a coauthor. How was The Righteous Mind? I will probably buy it once I whittle down the stack of books I am currently working my way through. Any other recommendations?
     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I thought it was great. I won't recommend unless something stands out. I will keep you in mind the next time I fond something!
     
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    Which has nothing to do with the topic of thread. You're making your points but they have nothing to do with the topic. They're moving the conversation in a different direction.
     
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    No copy and paste and no rebuttal on your part.
     
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    Clinton Foundation cash flow continues to drop years after 2016 election loss

    Cash flow to the Clinton Foundation continues to plummet, leaving the organization in the red for a second straight year after Hillary Clinton’s unsuccessful bid against President Donald Trump in the 2016 presidential election, newly released tax returns reveal.

    The Clinton Foundation’s $30.7 million revenue last year is less than half the $62.9 million it raised in 2016 as Clinton was at the height of her presidential campaign. Each of the two years since Clinton’s loss in the 2016 election has seen the organization’s revenue drop to record lows, raising less than any fiscal year in more than a decade — a sharp contrast to the $249 million raised during Clinton’s first year as secretary of state.

    The foundation received less money from fundraising events and its service programs last year compared to previous years but kept investing tens of millions in the programs. Paid speeches accounted for $369,899 of the foundation’s intake, a mild uptick from the $297,976 it received in 2017 but a huge drop from $3.6 million in 2014.

    The foundation continued to chip away at its savings, burning more cash than it raised in 2018. With revenue of $30.7 million, it spent $47.5 million last year on payroll, grants and promotion, among other items. It also scaled back spending on domestic grants and foreign activities compared to the prior year, but spent more in 2018 on advertising, promotions and fundraising efforts.

    The revenue drop since 2016 was partly because of the closing of the foundation’s three-year endowment campaign in 2015 and the foundation’s restricted fundraising efforts as Clinton pursued her presidential bid, said foundation CEO Kevin Thurm in a letter in 2016. The foundation also announced the same year the cancellation of the annual meetings for one of its programs, the Clinton Global Initiative.

    https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2019/11/clinton-foundation-cash-flow-drop/

    Exclusive: Clinton charity fails to disclose fines, legal settlements
    Scripps investigation uncovers violations

    While Donald Trump’s foundation remains under scrutiny for failure to follow charity laws in New York requiring it to register with the state, a Scripps News investigation has uncovered documents that reveal charity regulators cited a Clinton charity for violating similar laws in Mississippi for three consecutive years starting in 2001. Records also show the charity repeatedly failed to disclose those instances to other states, as required....
    https://www.nbc26.com/news/national...ity-fails-to-disclose-fines-legal-settlements
     
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    Yes whose husband paid $900,000 to a subordinate government employee whom he sexual assaulted and harassed. One she as part of the Bimbo squad hired people to try intimidate that subordinate employee and disparaged her in public. Did she divorce him afterwards?

    Because you are pleading ignorance or denying?

    See above


    She scam her WhiteWater/Castle Grande buyers with "mortgages" that were actually rent to own and they sued her over it.

    Remember when Bill said you vote for one you get two?
     
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    Highlighted in red: I looked for that information and couldn't find anything about the Clinton Foundation being fined.
    I did find this, though. 88% rating for the Clinton Foundation: https://www.charitynavigator.org/ein/311580204
    You honestly can't see any difference in the Clinton Foundation, who did lots of charity work around the globe, and the Trump Foundation that only benefitted the Trump's and was fined and shut down for their practices?
     
  22. Patricio Da Silva

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    Let me know when she is fined $2,000,000 and forced to close the charity down and uses the charity as a slush fund.

    Note that in it's prime, it had 2000 employees world wide doing charitable projects.

    Trump's foundation was on paper only, and ZERO employees, was a scam used partially has his slush fund and forced to close
    due to 'illegal activity'.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/10/nyregion/trump-foundation-lawsuit-attorney-general.html

    Trump Pays $2 Million to 8 Charities for Misuse of Foundation

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/danale...rity-money-into-his-business/?sh=180ab4306b4a

    How Donald Trump shifted Kid's Cancer Charity Money Into His Business


    You can try, but no one is going to beat Trump in the corruption and criminal activity pissing contest.

     
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    https://www.politifact.com/factchec...linton-says-hillary-was-completely-exonerate/

    "Mostly True" (that she was exonerated by the investigation).

    The investigations into Whitewater and the tangled web of the pre-Lewinsky scandals dragged on for six years and grew increasingly complicated, tedious, and impenetrable. Roughly $50 million later, none of the investigations found much evidence against the Clintons. Yet friends, foes, and the general public alike agree on one thing: Whitewater was so boring ("by design," writes Ann Coulter) that it became fascinating.


    I wasn't defending Bill Clinton. I was comparing hillary to trump.

    Get a grip.


    the Clinton Foundation in it's prime, it had 2000 employees world wide doing charitable projects.

    Trump's foundation was on paper only, and ZERO employees, was a scam used partially has his slush fund and forced to close
    due to 'illegal activity'.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/10/nyregion/trump-foundation-lawsuit-attorney-general.html

    Trump Pays $2 Million to 8 Charities for Misuse of Foundation

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/danale...rity-money-into-his-business/?sh=180ab4306b4a

    How Donald Trump shifted Kid's Cancer Charity Money Into His Business


    You can try, but no one is going to beat Trump in the corruption and criminal activity pissing contest.
     
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    is this the real reason trump is running for office?
     
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    ROFL oh BILL says so.................spare me. She wasn't exonerated the IC couldn't get the key evidence because of the 4 key witnesses 2 went to jail refusing to testify, one died in jail of mysterious circumstances awaiting his testimony and one committed suicide because he was going to go to jail.


    You get one you get both, she was fully involved in his acts and the attempted cover ups.

    I wasn't talking in it's prime I was talking when they could no longer exploit it it died out


    And to claim it was without it's own controversies is absurd

    Controversies
    Transparency[edit]
    Around 2007, the Clinton Foundation was criticized for a lack of transparency. Although U.S. law did not require charities, including presidential foundations, to disclose the identities of their contributors, critics said that the names of donors should be disclosed because Hillary Clinton was running to be the Democratic nominee for President of the United States. Commentator Matthew Yglesias opined in a Los Angeles Times op-ed that the Clintons should make public the names of foundation donors to avoid any appearance of impropriety.[88]

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    Secretary of State Clinton meets with Qatari Emir Hamad bin Khalifa Al Thani, September 21, 2010
    A lengthy donors list was then released by the foundation in December 2008,[22] which included several politically sensitive donors, such as the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and Blackwater Worldwide.[89] The foundation stated that the disclosures would ensure that "not even the appearance of a conflict of interest" would exist once Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State.[89]

    The foundation has been criticized for receiving donations from Middle-Eastern countries which are seen to oppress women (stoning for adultery, not being able to drive, requiring a male guardian, etc.). This particularly included Saudi Arabia, which donated between $10 million and $25 million. Apart from the Middle Eastern countries like the United Arab Emirates and Oman, other foreign government donations came from Australia, Germany, and a Canadian government agency.[90] [91] The foundation accepted these donations even though Hillary Clinton's 2016 presidential campaign platform guaranteed to break down barriers that held women back.[92]

    In November 2016, Reuters reported that "The Clinton Foundation has confirmed it accepted a $1 million gift from Qatar while Hillary Clinton was U.S. Secretary of State without informing the State Department, even though she had promised to let the agency review new or significantly increased support from foreign governments."[93] Washington Post columnist Jennifer Rubin opined that the Qatari gift "raised ethical questions" because of the nation's support for Hamas.[94]

    The ethics agreement between the State Department and the Clinton Foundation that had been put into force at the beginning of Hillary Clinton's tenure as Secretary of State in 2009 came under scrutiny from the news media during February 2015 as polls showed her the likely 2016 Democratic nominee for president.[95] The Wall Street Journal reported that the Clinton Foundation had resumed accepting donations from foreign governments once Secretary Clinton's tenure had ended.[96] Contributions from foreign donors, which are prohibited by law from contributing to political candidates in the U.S., constitute a major portion of the foundation's income. An investigation by The Washington Post of 2014 donations showed that there was "substantial overlap between the Clinton political machinery and the foundation". The investigation revealed that almost half of the major donors who had backed Ready for Hillary, a group which supported her 2016 presidency bid, had given at least $10,000 to the foundation, either personally or through foundations or companies they run. The Clinton Foundation's chief communications officer Craig Minassian explained that it is a "false choice to suggest that people who may be interested in supporting political causes wouldn't also support philanthropic work."[10]

    A subsequent Washington Post inquiry into donations by foreign governments to the Clinton Foundation during the Secretary's tenure found, in addition to six cases where such governments continued making donations at the same level they had before Clinton became Secretary as envisioned under the agreement, one instance of a new donation, $500,000 from Algeria for earthquake relief in Haiti, that was outside the bounds of the continuation provision and should have received a special ethics review, but did not.[97] Foundation officials said that if the former Secretary decided to run for president in 2016, they would again consider what steps to take in reference to foreign donations.[97] But in general, they stressed that, "As with other global charities, we rely on the support of individuals, organizations, corporations and governments who have the shared goal of addressing critical global challenges in a meaningful way. When anyone contributes to the Clinton Foundation, it goes towards foundation programs that help save lives."[97] State Department spokesperson Jen Psaki attested that the foundation's commitment to the ethics agreement in question "has been over and above the letter of the law".[98] In August 2016, after Clinton's securing the Democratic nomination, the Clinton Foundation announced that it will stop accepting foreign donations if she were elected.[99]

    In March 2015, Reuters reported that the Clinton Health Access Initiative had failed to publish all of its donors, and to let the State Department review all of its donations from foreign governments after it was spun off from the Clinton Foundation in 2010.[100] In April 2015, The New York Times reported that when Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State, the State Department had approved transactions that allowed Russian state-owned corporation Rosatom to take a majority stake in Uranium One,[101] whose chairman had donated to the Clinton Foundation.[102] The State Department "was one of nine government agencies, not to mention independent federal and state nuclear regulators, that had to sign off on the deal."[103] FactCheck.org decided there is "no evidence" that the donations influenced Clinton's official actions or that she was involved in the State Department's decision to approve the deal,[104] and PolitiFact concluded that any "suggestion of a quid pro quo is unsubstantiated".[103]

    2015 State Department subpoena[edit]
    Main article: Clinton Foundation–State Department controversy
    In February 2016, The Washington Post reported that the United States Department of State issued a subpoena to the foundation in the fall of 2015. According to the report, the subpoena focused on "documents about the charity's projects that may have required approval from federal government during Hillary Clinton's term as secretary of state" and "also asked for records related to Huma Abedin, longtime Clinton aide who for six months in 2012 was employed simultaneously by the State Department, the foundation, Clinton's personal office, and a private consulting firm with ties to the Clintons."[105]

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