Is it okay to shout down speakers on campus?

[QUOTE="fmw, post: 1074183911, member: 22801"The Bill of Rights applies only to government, [/QUOTE]
One of you conservatives finally got it!!

Halli-****in' lulla!!

They can be taught!! A-MAZING!!!

I've only been trying to explain that to republicans for about 3 flipping decades!!

I gotta go mark the calendar!

 

If its ok in Congress during SOTU, then why would it not be ok elsewhere?

Freedom of speech is what it is. You don't seem to agree, but the students have the right to free speech.

I remember seeing KKK meetings in Cincinnati city square, and people would routinely try to shout down the speakers and no one seemed to have an issue with it.

Of course. Who decides for you? The government?

 

Hate speech is a completely different subject, and being a conservative you wouldn't understand it anyway.

As far as "the left's totalitarian values"?



projection at it's finest.

 

If you think private citizens getting vocal at an event is totalitarianism I don't think you understand the meaning of the word. Also, the whole issue is not about the "left", its about a crowd not liking what they hear and they think its acceptable to let it known. You, and everyone with an authoritarian mindset, would ban it and force people sit quietly no matter how much they disagree with what they are hearing. That's how USSR operated.

 

Like he said, it cuts both ways, which is the ultimate respect of the 1st Amendment.

 

Oh ok then, well that’s on them

 

I got it. You don't support free speech. You support free speech when it is about something you support.

 

Then you clearly missed my earlier response just a couple of posts before this one:

 

No, the first amendment cuts only one way. It bans government from impeding free speech. It doesn't apply to anything else.

 

Then you clearly don't know about the 1st, because freedom of speech is for everyone, everyone has it, meaning speechgivers and the audience. The right to say vain, ugly and disrespectful things goes for everyone.

 

Yes. Students at a campus can say whatever they want as long as they don't break school rules. Likewise, social media (being private companies) can allow or disallow anything they want.

 

i very nearly went with the fifth option in this poll, but then i remembered the incredible number of snowflakes and cause-heads out there and realized that even laughter is considered violence to some of them. instead i understand that each event must be taken individually and that it is best to not shout down any speaker unless "real" violence is imminent. as for racists... well, racism isn't inherently violent nor is it illegal. we can even seem to come to a consensus on what racism actually is. then there is the financial aspect. in many cases the speaker has been invited to speak on campus and a great deal of money may very well have been invested in the event. shouting down such a speaker is tantamount to theft, no matter how vehemently you may disagree with the speaker.

the problem we seem to have is that we are drifting further and further away from being a "civil" society and have entered a phase where rudeness is often seen as a virtue. we all seem to be guilty of it. protest leads to counter-protest and all too often violence ensues.

 

I wouldn't say it was racist, necessarily, but I would say that they are willfully ignorant. And at that point I wouldn't bother shouting them down - I would just get up and leave because I know I will learn nothing from them except their opinions without factual understanding. But if there are people who want to waste their time to question or criticize them, I would support them. Violence no - questioning yes.

 

I'm against shouting down speeches. I think it would make a bigger statement to give a counterspeech and a counterevent right afterwards rather than yelling like a toddler.

 

As do bad manners.

 

Indeed.

 

Reading these posts is very disheartening. Democracy is literally hanging on the thin thread of free speech and I can see that plenty here support at a minimum a hecklers veto for views they don't like. They want only one point of view in the public square.

There are a lot of authoritarians on this forum.

 

Funny, you’re calling us authoritarians when some of us have simply said freedom of speech works both ways.

 

Your idea of freedom of speech is stopping the speech of others.

So yes, that's authoritarian.

 

I'm supposedly one of them (see one of our Florida threads) because I support the law prohibiting/regulating teacher-led discussion of sexuality in school.

It wouldn't be so bad if kids weren't compelled to go. I guess they can home school.

 

Not stopping, offering their own counter-input.

 

If you shout at someone while he is speaking, you're not offering input. You're trying to prevent him from being heard.

 

See post #72

 

I stand by my last post.

 

That's fine. Your side is becoming increasingly hostile to free expression and your posts in this thread are a good example.