well, the standard American Diet many doctors prescribe, as well as the over prescription of drugs, would seem to show there is risks both ways natural\lifestyle vs prescriptions but yes, homeopathy in many cases is bunk, sugar pill effect, but there are many valid natural and lifestyle changes one could make
Except Australia got smart We banned ALL drug advertising and pharmacy kick backs. The drug reps cannot even buy the customers a cup of coffee. We don’t even have adverts for Tylenol. And we have a UHC. Which means the drugs ordered are off a certain list and you better not prescribe too many really expensive drugs for no valid reason or the government who is paying starts asking questions. But that depends - when Nimodipine was first used for SAH the neurosurgeon I worked with was getting special permission each use. It is now standard therapy but at the time it was new to the market BUT the early research supported its use so government said “yep! Go for it!
yep, I think we just need to be careful in mixing natural\lifestyle changes into the same boat as homeopathy, the kind that put a drop of some chemical in a swimming pool, then says the pool water is a cure but I also think going to a doctor has risks too, due to the over prescription of unneeded\harmful drugs or procedures
I thought about your reply and had to add. When I said “every life support machine we had” that wasn’t accurate. From memory she was ventilated multiple IV pumps, dialysis machine, cardiac monitor, arterial line monitor, various drains (MVA multi injuries) but didn’t have a VAD (Ventricular Assist Device) or a ballooon pump. Think your “diluted compounds in water” would replace any of that?
Homeopathic products are already held to the same standards (safety and efficacy) as similar mainstream OTC products. What exactly do you want the FDA to do? Maybe accept funding from homeopathic sources? Let homeopaths design their own studies and withhold raw data from oversight? The FDA is not what you think it is. The FDA, hospitals, etc. are interested in MONEY, not medical errors. I don’t think you understand the problems with mainstream medicine and the FDA etc. Here’s just one example. https://www.healthaffairs.org/conte...risks-and-few-new-benefits-fda-approved-drugs Yes, “real” doctors prescribe and recommend a lot of folks take fish oil and glucosamine. They even gobble them stuff up themselves. A lot more than homeopaths. There just aren’t very many homeopaths. https://nutritionj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1475-2891-8-29
America desperately needs to go the UHC route at least for a couple of years and it needs to follow Australia and Canada and the UK with what we have done, well copy but avoid our mistakes lols! Certainly banning pharmacy related advertising and kick backs are a GOOD start. But we also need to do good education/advertising. Many many years ago I was working at a small country hospital and we had a “locum” doctor doing the clinic in the morning. He came round to the pharmacy and told us he had a patient who only had a cold but was insisting he be prescribed antibiotics. The doc told him antibiotics were worse than useless for a cold but the patient was raising a fuss so this young doc asked us what we had in the pharmacy that would be if use. We pulled out the “cough suppressant” that was at that time a standard health department listed medicine. Ye Gods but the stuff tasted vile! One drop in your mouth and your tongue would try and hide in your throat! The young doc smiled and said “The very thing! I am hoping this will satisfy him since he won’t listen to me bout antibiotics!” lols
Well, the point of all this is going way over your head. I’m not making a direct comparison. I’m trying to get you folks to understand a crystal can’t harm anyone. But if the poor schmuck that had the crystal was in a hospital in the US they would have a 10% chance of being KILLED by a direct action of a medical professional! The position that a harmless crystal is funny but hospital KILLINGS are just benign “accidents” is not rational. That’s my point. If hanging a crystal by your bed killed 10% of folks who did it then we could make a rational comparison! SMH. And no, drugs given by doctors aren’t rigorously tested. That’s why half of deaths from prescription drugs occur in people taking them exactly as instructed.
Yep. The US needs to get smarter. It’s diabolical how things are now. It’s all about MONEY. That never works out well. But nothing will change until folks are aware of the problem.
Can you quote me ANYWHERE advocating for homeopathy? Why resort to strawmen arguments? I simply asked another poster to supply data on the dangers of homeopathy. He can’t. I pointed out documented dangers from mainstream modern medicine. I have no interest in homeopathy and believe it’s silly. But mostly harmless, especially compared to the “alternative”…
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/homeopathy-challenge https://www.theguardian.com/science/blog/2012/apr/03/homeopathy-why-i-changed-my-mind https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy
From what I gather it is on the Democrat agenda to ban drug advertising. Since that represents a very large proportion of the cost…..
And yet you challenged me about the crystal therapy. Of course we did not remove those crystals - any more than we would remove a religious icon. But the pun made us smile and humour I always needed in situations like that
I agree there is no evidence homeopathic treatments are effective. Never claimed otherwise. I just stated a fact. I know ya’ll get bent by facts. Here is my claim and then the evidence for it. https://www.nccih.nih.gov/health/homeopathy Please attempt to avoid fallacious arguments. They bore me.
The FDA would never allow it….even from Dems. Pharma spends 6 times as much on advertising as R&D (can fact check that I’m going off memory). It’s working. It’s a good business model to make money, which is the goal.
yes that is part of the problem, people want a quick fix and doctors don't have the time to get to know the patient and their issues anymore in many cases Statins is a big example of how pharmaceuticals make a drug sound better than it is imo
There was a bloody good ICU podcast on statins - I will hunt for it and post it later - it was one of these but I can’t remember which one https://intensivecarenetwork.com/media/podcasts/evidence-podcasts/
I didn’t challenge you. I attempted to get you to redirect your concern to life and death matters, not hocus pocus. I would have found humor as well. When I was about 11 my dad worked with some guys that were amateur musicians on the side. Wild rock bands that were into the occult etc. My family’s hobby at the time was spelunking. All of the sudden these rocker occult guys wanted to go with us. Couldn’t figure out why until we were an hour and a half underground and one of them asked where the crystals were. My dad must have inadvertently made a comment about crystals being found in some caves. That’s why they wanted to go. Those of my family still living still laugh about that. Dying people usually need some kind of hope and they will look anywhere for it.
I don't remember anyone claiming a crystal of normal materials could harm someone, unless it caused the patient to fail to get a timely diagnosis from a qualified doctor. So, you can see that you aren't making a rational comparison. As for prescription drugs causing accidental death, you're going to have to cite something. There certainly are drugs that are seriously hard on the human body. Chemotherapy can be tough to survive, for example. However, that doesn't mean it should never be prescribed. Plus, there are deaths due to interaction between prescribed drugs and other substances the patient did not report - including homeopathic substances.
Of course but ICU is a high stress environment and humour can ameliorate that - even if it is only a brief smile. BTW that is called “Gelotology”
I would say the mushroom poisoning were probably very avoidable. The majority of deadly mushrooms will have gills that are white or Rusty Cinnamon Brown. This does not include all of them but it includes a great number of the common deadly mushrooms. To be more specific one should take a spore print of the mushroom in question..... The color of the spores can often be different than the color of the gills.
Well, 11 states allow physician assessed suicide. I don't know of any place where terminal patients are given placebos for comfort. Surely a requirement is that patients are given full and complete information, are supported in hospice care, etc. There certainly are cases where patients opt for aggressive or experimental options that have low or unknown probability of success. For example, a patient may request that all cancer be surgically removed even if it means low probability of surviving surgery.
There is significant regionality in this, too. I like what you are checking. However, I'd suggest avoiding ALL poisonous mushrooms, not just the majority - even if it takes time to consult an expert.
Whoooboy. The FDA doesn't get paid by drug companies, hospitals, doctors or drug sales. The problem comes in when practitioners pump their products without knowing what the medical problem actually is. The problem with glucosamine isn't that it can't be safely administered. Doctors prescribe it, too. Plus, as a rule homeopathy doesn't have any kind of control of dosage or strength.
Yeah! Don’t eat any mushrooms but those bought from the store! We got us some doozies when it comes to poisonous plants and as I said they can even fool the experts. Interesting the police are investigating.
