Toxic plant or medicine?

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  1. FatBack

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    This plant has a long history of use as a folk medicine. Native Americans and early settlers, being most notable.

    I grew up always being told that it was poisonous. When we were kids we would squish the berries on ourselves because it made a very magenta indigo stain of an ink. A lot of folk uses call for a poultice to alleviate rheumatism.

    Poke salad is also a historical tradition. I think Elvis even had a song about it. Said to be very nutritious if the Young Greens are harvested and boiled twice with the water being changed.

    It appears that modern medicine has some interest in the plant.

    As is often the case with medicine... A certain dose might be beneficial while a higher dose might equal poison.

    I don't recommend anyone experiment with things like this lightly, or even at all...
    But I do think we should be asking questions.

    I'm not advocating or endorsing this particular plant but I do believe that nature is full of plants that are far better medicine than that poison that big pharma pumps out.

    They hate natural medicine because they can't extract your wallet through your sinuses for it. Heaven forbid you could harvest medicine from nature free of charge...

    Anyhow this is food for thought.




    https://www.acepnow.com/article/toxicology-answer-can-this-toxic-plant-treat-certain-illnesses/
     
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    No one around here is really interested in homeopathic medicine?
     
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    Pretty much everyone east of the Mississippi has to have seen this.


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    I ate a couple of berries about 27 hours ago.

    The thing about it is, is not to chew the berries or the seeds.

    Despite what modern medicine says... I also have zero symptoms of the so-called poisoning that will come from eating any part of this plant.

    I would rather experiment with natural plants then the poison that big pharma gives us nowadays
     
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    I reckon every poison has a benefit under the right conditions ...and every nutrient can be poisonous under the wrong conditions.

    I've seen that plant before, but I know nothing about it.

    I knew some Native Americans that swore eating the boiled leaves of stinging nettles made children grow up stronger. I dunno if its true, but I know some of them ate boiled stinging nettles as children and they seemed fine.

    Aspirin can be made from boiling the sub-bark of a certain type of willow tree into a tea. But not just any willow tree. The wrong type of willow tree will make you sick.
     
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    No doubt about it you do have to be very careful when practicing any sort of homeopathic medicine.

    I have no doubt that stinging nettles do have some beneficial effect, under the right conditions.

    I'm convinced that everywhere in nature is a cure for everything that ails us because supposedly everything the ails us come from a thing in nature.

    But of course it's far more profitable for big pharma, to isolate these compounds and pretend they don't exist in nature and to synthesize them and charge you big money to get a drug that you could find growing in a ditch on the side of the road
     
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    Pokeberry stain, 24 hours later after the application


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    Nowadays they just lobby govt to ban the things found in nature, then they synthesize something that has a carbon atom on the other end of the molecule (or etc) that does the same thing but isn't technically banned so they can sell it. Or they just straight up lobby to ban it and then bribe the govt for a permit... That's gotta be racketeering or something. Certainly monopolistic.
     
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    I would rather take my chances using pokeberry and he homeopathic fashion, then getting that b******* they call covid vaccine injected into my veins.

    Psilocybin mushrooms proved to be very beneficial to me in the last several decades.
     
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    Some people say this plant might cure cancer while other people say that it could cause it.

    Saponins seem to be the most active alkaloid in the plant.

    It's not illegal so I'm choosing to ingest small amounts to see what it might do.

    I have the right to eat a weed that's not illegal do I not?
     
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    I would much rather experiment with folk medicine than to roll up my sleeve and let those people inject me with the covid vaccine.

    Should everyone go out and try a plant that is known as folk medicine but that modern science calls poison?

    No I don't think that most people should do that..

    But I would rather sooner eat a handful of pokeberries than I would take a damn covit vaccine in my whole life
     
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    For the benefit of the naysayers.... I'll check back in in 24 hours just to let you know I'm still alive.
     
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    I haven't taken the covid vaccine and I appear to be thriving without it.

    I think I shall continue my hiatus of the vaccine.
     
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    Science based medicine seeks out medicinals in nature.

    The difference between personal experimentation and FDA certification has everything to do with analysis and testing. And, it is NOT restricted by where the chemistry was found - in nature or assembled through chemistry.

    With modern science based medicine, drugs are tested and certified regarding safety and efficacy.

    So, you can chew on white willow bark or take an aspirin. Both get you the basics of aspirin. With taking an aspirin one knows the dose, the purity, the danger level, the side effects, the medical conditions where it isn't advisable (such as risk of stroke and other clotting issues), etc., etc. One knows of drug interactions.

    With homeopathy, these factors are simply not known, because they are not tested in a way that allows a determination.
     
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    That's why if an adult chooses to utilize such medication it is on them. One should of course do some research and be very careful.
     
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    And I'm still alive with no symptoms. Although I didn't really see any benefits so I doubt I will consume anymore.
     
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    The general problem becomes serious as it delays actual diagnosis and treatment.

    Plus, today we have advocates promoting full trust in homeopathy - which deserves absolutely ZERO trust as the is no testing done for safety and efficacy and there is no control over strength or dosage. This IS a threat to the health of the population.

    Of course, most people don't actually have a terminal illness that requires immediate treatment. So, you can get along on fake medicine and recover from a headache or stomach ache or whatever - like would happen with no treatment.

    The OTHER problem is that those hawking homeopathy are also assaulting actual medicine. And, one result with that is that people spread diseases that could have been slowed from spreading. So, you get to infect school kids, workmates, those at your church, etc. Such a heroic fight for "freedom"!
     
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    Yes we need to either take expensive prescription drugs or use surgery.

    I think you need to read my post again and stop making up straw man.

    Specifically said I'm not advocating it for anyone.

    Heaven forbid an adult make their own choices
     
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    I'm fine with you doing you.

    But, I'm NOT fine with the projection of homeopathy as having anything to do with healthcare.

    The problem there is that homeopathy does real harm by causing people to play around with nonsense when they have actual healthcare issues.
     
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    And modern healthcare actually prevents effective treatment sometimes. Look how long it's taking them to recognize the therapeutic potential of marijuana and psilocybin.

    They have to be dragged kicking and screaming to acknowledge the medical value of it . If they can't patent it and make a lot of profit off it they don't really have much interest.

    Modern healthcare can oftentimes be called sick care because they want customers for life.
     
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    Check out the history of the drug gabapentin.
    Pretty much every doctor wants to prescribe that to anyone 50 or over having any sort of problems. It works on The receptors in your brain.

    It's a drug you're not supposed to stop taking cold turkey and one of the things that can happen if you do is seizures. I had a girlfriend some years ago that for some reason couldn't get her prescription filled, and low and behold two days later she had a seizure.

    Never had a seizure before in her life
     
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    The FDA has approved cannabis and related natural and synthetic compounds for treatment of various medical issues.

    The legal restrictions on studying these products has caused a serious delay in testing and approval.

    There is even a popular stigma associated with use.

    Once again, we would be better off if politicians could just manage to stop pretending they are medical scientists.
     
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    Let us know when homeopathy kills 250,000-400,000 annually and causes 10% of hospital deaths. :)
     
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    agree, Psilocybin mushrooms are showing much benefit to some
     
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