Syria & Russia Advance On Aleppo

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  1. Jeannette

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    And yet Obama repeats the tale of Assad's chemical attack as if reality and truth is of no matter. Only manipulations of people's minds and thoughts matter...But then again such is the world of sociopaths. How can morality, righteousness, justice, humanity be understood by those who lack a conscience and when it doesn't exist within them?

    What is surprising is the UN, and the way the media hushes up everything. Carla Ponti knew that chemical attacks were used by the Turks against the Kurds. Not only were they used two decades ago, but even three summers ago when the Kurds declared their independence in Eastern Turkey. The Turkish army had cordoned off the whole area, so that reporters and observers were not allowed in.

    Notice how Obama never made mention about Erdogan killing his own people, something which is going on again)...yet he accused Assad of doing it. But then again, he didn't make mention about Poroshenko killing his own people in the Donbas either. I guess some people are just dispensable to the powers that be. I wonder how the Jews, Chinese, Armenians and all the others others who died because of their 'dispensable' factor, would feel about those same concepts being utilized today?
     
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    What I find surprising is the Queen of the EU, Angela Merkel's sudden about-face on Turkey's ascension to the EU along with billions of euros to keep the refugees out of Europe.

    Must be Turkey's reward for demonstrating 'European values', much like in Ukraine.

     
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    When we send soldiers to another country to help one side of a civil war (as in Iraq), and the other side shoots at our soldiers, this is not a security risk to the continental US.

    Your claim that it is is abject nonsense.
     
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    Don't say this around [overall don't say this to Russians], but also Italy is "interested" in SUMED ...

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    Develop further this conception. What should I infer from this?
     
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    Have you ever played chess?

    Listen, there are two chessboards with two main players: they managed the pieces on the chessboards. On those chessboards there are pawns, horses, queens ... OK?

    Relationships between Italy and Russia are extremely good [I would say that, incredibly as it can sound, they are now even better than in the age of Berlusconi], but on those chessboards we've got different colors ...

    It's politics at geopolitical level ... be Machiavellian!
     
  6. Jeannette

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    Putin's chess game is the Minsk II peace deal. Every time Kiev was losing, and the Novorussiyan army was ready to take Mariupol and then Odessa, Poroshenko would sue for peace, and Putin would force the militia to stop the fighting to their chagrin...as well as the chagrin of most Russians. So why was Putin doing it, when the Donbas militia could have easily taken over half of Ukraine?

    Well there are a few reasons. When polls were taken, the further west into Ukraine one went, the less they wanted to be part of Russia, so where would the demarcation line be? Also Putin wants all of Ukraine, since he considers it part of the Russian world. If Ukraine was to lose the Donbas, then the Russian speaking Ukrainians would never have the majority needed to win in a presidential election and the Russophobe Gallicians would remain in power.

    Poroshenko wants to keep the wealth and land of the Donbas, but he doesn't want the people since they would vote him and his western leaning party out of Kiev...so he's been gradually ethnically cleansing it with bombs. Unfortunately Pu
    tin had to sit back and allow this sacrifice for the long time benefit of the Ukrainian and Russian people.
     
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    Only Damascus? I thought the jews wanted to expand across the entire Alpha Quadrant.

    They are getting there, its just at a glacial pace like the formation of pangea, 6 inches per decade.
     
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    LOL, there are a lot of people in chicago that wanted to win the world series this year...how likely is that going to happen?

    To stay in power, like all politicians.

    Maybe because syria has been iran's puppet, harboring terrorist groups that keep attacking israel like hamas, and supplying them and hezbollah with lots of rockets to kill more israelis with. Should he be helping them, sending them chocolate and kisses? They are technically in a state of war, you do remember.

    A more difficult problem is a state that supplies endless weapons and training for terrorists operating on other borders.
     
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    Unless someone "on the other side" decides to start attacking other americans abroad who are not soldiers and the continental US, as agents of AQ have been doing for what now, ten years?
     
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    Your right of course.

    My mistake the Jet was the Me-262.

    I did not state the B-29 was used in bombing runs in Europe I was just stating that the P-51 was capable of supplying fighter support for both B-17's and B-29's at a distance that is from Britain to Berlin and back.

    Yes the bombers can fly a much longer distance than the P-51's.

    But the P-51's ability to provide protection to U.S. Bombers all the way to Berlin was a Game Changer.

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    As for Putin's chess game in Syria, I don't know what it is yet. What I do know is that he doesn't want the terrorists heading for the Central Asia States and the Caucasus. They have enough trouble with them already. I also know that Russia has always considered the Shias as protection from the jihadists, and Syria as part of its lifeline. Putin has been building up a fleet for the Eastern Mediterranean, and the US knew that the government takeover in Kiev would be a threat to him because of the naval base in the Crimea. Savastopol controls not only the Black Fleet, but the Mediterranean one as well.

    What freaked Merkel out with the takeover of Crimea, was that the waters contain oil and gas, and would have lessened Germany's dependency on Russia. Their mistake was that they didn't think Putin would react, but polls had been taken and he knew that the people of Crimea wanted to be part of Russia.

    It was also because of oil and gas that Merkel screwed the people of Greece and put unsustainable loans on it, when Greece could have done what Iceland did and simply default from the start. To cover up the EU's criminal action, it used Washington's propaganda machines and made it look as if the money was going to the Greek people, when the money was going to the banks. Yet the Greeks are being taxed to the hilt to pay off the loans. It's a scam.

    Greece is sitting on a sea of oil and gas, and this is what Germany wants. .and this is what the scam was all about. It doesn't matter how many people suffer because of it.



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    Gad.. Israel has certainly done that since 1952.
     
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    Not a problem and I do agree about the P-51's importance. Still, a lot of heavys were lost.

    I made a mistake in my post, too. I mis-spelled the name of the guy that shot down my father's plane. It was Theodor Weissenberger, not Weisenberg. He was an interesting fellow and had 200+ kills. There is a wiki page about him. I didn't know until a few years ago that so many Luftwaffe pilots had such high kill rates. Quite a few went over the 200 mark, with a lot more having 100+.

     
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    http://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Russia-Eyes-Crimeas-Oil-and-Gas-Reserves.html

    Russia Eyes Crimea’s Oil and Gas Reserves

    According to Reuters, Crimea may nationalize oil and gas assets within its borders belonging to Ukraine, and sell them off to Russia. Crimea’s Deputy Prime Minister hinted at the possibility that it would take control of Chornomorneftegaz, a Ukrainian state-owned enterprise, and then “privatize” it by selling it to Gazprom. “After nationalisation of the company we would openly take a decision - if a large investor, like Gazprom or others emerges - to carry out (privatisation),” Deputy Prime Minister Rustam Temirgaliev said.

    Crimea’s Russian-backed government has decided to hold a referendum on March 16 to secede from Ukraine. At the time of this writing, Russia’s heavy involvement in the drive for Crimean secession makes it hard to believe that Sunday’s result will be anything other than an overwhelming result in favor of breaking ties with Kiev (either greater autonomy or annexation by Russia). The next steps are much less clear, however. Secretary of State John Kerry is hoping Russia will hold off on fully annexing Crimea, leaving open the possibility of some diplomatic way of resolving the crisis

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    The U.S should not help they are not the world police. They need to fix their economy before the attempt to fix others.
     
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    Really? How's that?
     
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    Margot that is from Reuters, so take the spin from whence it comes. ..like for instance, 'Crimea's Russian backed government' rather than; Crimea's Russian oriented government...which would be less deceptive and more truthful to the American people.

    There is no mention of the three hundred people from Crimea who went to Kiev to protest in favor of Yanukovich, and against the fascist and anti Russian laws that were passed. On the way back they had their buses burned, seven were murdered, and the rest were beaten and harassed for eight hours.

    This is why Crimea seceded from Ukraine, and this is why they voted to unite with Russia.


    [video=youtube;_W0darIeDFs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W0darIeDFs[/video]
     
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    They caught an Israeli Colonel fighting with ISIS in Iraq.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/guess-...ding-isis-terrorists-arrested-in-iraq/5483679

    How can this be true?

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    Supplying arms to the Barzani clan in Turkey and Mossad advisors.

    Also selling arms to Sudan.......
     
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    Russia really doesn't have the money to be building more ships for deployment in the Mediterranean and Black Seas and when one considers that the U.S. Navy of and by ITSELF would be considered the 3rd Largest and most Powerful Military Force on Planet Earth.....Russia spending the little money it has on any attempt to counter the U.S. Navy is not only silly it is a waste of resources.

    If Putin was smart he would spend that money on Missile Defense as Russia is very far behind current U.S. Military Missile Defense Capabilities.

    In fact eventually Putin will have to make a choice whether to make a DEAL with the United States to help the Russian Economy or whether to basically sell Siberia out from under the Russian people to China.

    But China right now appears to no longer want to invest money into Siberia as China can purchase the Oil that is usually reserved for the U.S. from OPEC as the U.S. will no longer be buying OPEC and Saudi Oil in 2023.

    Iran will be selling oil now that a DEAL has been worked out with the U.S. on Iran's Nuclear Program and both Canada and the U.S. will be selling huge amounts of Oil as both Nations will be producing more Oil than they can use.

    Russia's current future is not looking all that bright.

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    What about this Israeli Colonel fighting with ISIS? Is that crazy or what?

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/guess-...ding-isis-terrorists-arrested-in-iraq/5483679
     
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    Your father was a brave man.

    I am not Military but they often give me rides and I have been aboard a B-52H as it was a part of a wing of B-52's dropping Anti-Mechanized Forces Cluster Munitions upon Republican Guard Units that refused to surrender in Iraq.

    I could not help feeling awful and sad for even those sadistic and vicious Republican Guard Soldiers who were loyal to Saddam as NOTHING could survive nor did survive that bombing run.

    Entire Iraqi Republican Guard Divisions just ceased to exist in a matter of moments.

    Your father had to struggle to survive and I thank you for your fathers service.

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    Before its News, Brietbart and Global research among other kook sites have picked up the story.. Try Drudge.
     
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    I personally do not have any information on this Colonel so I don't even know if it's a fact or not.

    But regardless whether it is or not there are always going to be a few people who do crazy things.

    The United States as example has the most heavily armed population on the face of the Earth.

    There are former members of the U.S. Military that have become the Leaders of Militia's as there are vast uninhabited regions of the United States as there are areas the size of Spain where no one lives.

    There are also many areas the size of Italy or Portugal where no Human Being lives in just the U.S. never mind Canada as it is impossible to talk about just the U.S. as Canada has an Integrated Military with the United States and with the exception of a few people in Quebec....Canada and the U.S. are very much one people as we share everything from Blood Relatives to Sports Teams, Military's and we both have very much the same culture.

    My point is that it is not without precedent that a former disillusioned Military Commander might take up arms for a cause.

    However I don't think any former U.S. or Canadian Colonel would be joining the ISIS.

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