Like Pope Francis, Democrat Questions if Trump is a Christian

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  1. Spooky

    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well Catholics would be wrong then wouldn't they.

    The Pope has no more authority with God than I do.
     
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    “I just don't understand how you can be as worshipful of your own self as he is and be prepared to humble yourself before God," Buttigieg continued. "I've never seen him humble himself before anyone. And the exaltation of yourself, especially a self that's about wealth and power, could not be more at odds with at least my understanding of the teachings of the Christian faith.”
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    When did progs become holy rollers?
     
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    When did progs become holy rollers?[/QUOTE]Then again given his background it is likely that were his under standing of the Christian faith converted into a sheet of lead it would be so thin you could see through it.
     
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    The real ****ing joke is, folks saying this is a CHRISTIAN nation. There ARE no CHRISTIAN nations, and that goes the same for ISRAEL.

    The gal of trying to claim that the nation is acting like Christ, is an INSULT to the REAL Christ.

    If there were no rules or laws forbidding Trump, he would act JUST like the devil.
     
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    Yeah ... consulr Merriam Webster ... "Savior" & "Salvation". Here's a non religious publication that's exactly on point. 2nd paragraph is the biblical equivalent of "settled science". https://www.gotquestions.org/excommunication.html
     
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    "consulr"?
     
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    The homosexual heretic hive extends to a large number of homosexual corrupt bishops in the USCCB. There are still bishops protecting active child predators in the priesthood. The federal government needs to go in with RICO and investigate every Catholic bishop in the USA.
     
  8. JakeStarkey

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    These issues, jay runner, are alive in American protestant and reform and fundamentalist and pentecostal organizations.

    All are fighting to reform their clergy, not just the RCC.
     
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    He certainly is not a devout Christian by any means. All Christians vary in the devotion, I think he varies more than most. But I speak as a Catholic who while I believe Abortion is a sin, I vote for dems who won't pass a law severely limiting the number of abortions. So I can't throw a stone very far.
     
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    There is no reason a homosexual can not be a priest. However I agree with you and wish the government would do something.
     
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    True, but none have corruption as entrenched and organized as the RCC.
     
  12. JakeStarkey

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    Observing, we all live in glass houses, yes: you, me, jay runner, everyone.

    RCC, because it is by far the largest organized Christian denomination in the world, has real problems. If the Pentecostals were of the same size and the same organization; or the evangelicals; or the fundamentalists -- all would have the same challenges.

    RCC is no better and no worse than any other organization.
     
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    The Southern Baptist Convention has a large problem, but still not near the scale as the RCC.

    https://www.houstonchronicle.com/ne...-sexual-abuse-spreads-as-leaders-13588038.php
     
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    jay runner, the SBC is so incredibly smaller than the RCC, so you better hope it does not have the scale of the RCC's problem.
     
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    Give me a break. BE 4 REAL.
    Like we all know how Christian it is to abort a Living, breathing
    little fetus.The ENTIRETY of the Democrat Party is one huge
    Abortion Party.They advertise Abortion,laud it's use and demand
    it in their stinkin' rotten Unamerican Political Party.
    Any questions.Dr.Kermit Gosnell was No Republican.
    Probably had Pictures of Democrat Pols on the walls of his
    inner city Abortion chop shop.
     
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    Membership ratio about 5 to 1, RCC over SBC

    Victim numbers (known) apparently about 7 to 1, RCC over SBC

    RICO should be employed to investigate both to give the laity a weapon to clean up their churches.
     
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    This Pope is a fraud.Just like the way the previous Pope
    { Benedict XVI } or Joseph Aloisius Ratziner was a fine Professor
    of Theology and Philosophy while ordained as a Priest.
    He was both pressured and framed into retirement.Seldom ever does a
    Pope Retire.Plus this new Pope is full blown ringer.
    No Pope has ever been a Jesuit and most all Popes were also
    Italian.The Greatest Pope in recent memory is indubitably
    The First Non-Italian { Pope John Paul II } or Karol Josef Wojtyla was
    Polish.
    This Francis Pope is a fraud.He was somehow selected and put in
    c/o of International Globalist after it was determined that the Vatican
    could be conned into making sure Benedict was old enough and weak
    enough not to mount any defense of his role as Pope for Life.
    Pope were always given that determination.
    We have seen what this Francis Fraud has pulled time & again.
    He's trying to usher in a Non-theological Papacy.Which goes against
    the current centuries of Pope's NOT being dictators.Just Holy people
    managing their Faith and Flock.
     
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    The total opposition to anything Christianity by the Democratic Party. Their total acceptance and embrace of atheism and any other religion other than Christianity. Their continued attempts to destroy Christianity.
     
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    Your numbers are off, so please research that. You are suggesting that SBC is in several hundreds of millions, and that is not right, I think.
     
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    You're missing the point when it comes to "concern for the poor/needy".

    As a Democrat, you don't want to help people; rather, you want the government to help people.

    You used the term "fake Christians". I would argue that it is Democrats who claim to be Christians who are fake.

    They seek to use government as a proxy for their "good works". For them, it is a triple win.

    1) They can assuage their conscience by saying they are supporting the poor.
    2) They really don't have to do anything in terms of time and effort themselves. The government does the work.
    3) They can do as you have done here - accuse anyone who doesn't agree of being fake, lacking compassion, etc.

    That is the epitome of laziness, arrogance, and ignorance. Decidedly unchristian.

    That is what's on the surface - what's beneath that is even worse. Because the government is not interested in helping families, it is in the business of destroying families.

    The government says to young women, "... we'll pay you to have kids, only 1 catch you can't have a husband, and your children can't have a father.

    Since the "civil rights movement" and welfare state arrived on the scene, single parent households among blacks have gone from 25% to 75%. That has had a devastating effect on the black community.

    Is that "Christian"?? Of course not, but of course actually helping people is not the goal of government - controlling people is.
     
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    "fake Christians" is exactly the term for those who oppose government intervention where it is better than or equal to private charity.

    Republicans in the mainstream overwhelmingly support government programs but do want them reformed.

    No true Christian wants a libertarian approach to helping the poor.
     
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    So Buttigieg and pope Francis think Trump should be more humble, like they are I presume.
     
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    The Pope is humble compared to Trump, much more so.
     
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    Except for the part that the overwhelming majority of predatory priests were homosexuals preying on pubescent and post pubescent boys. A book "Goodbye Good Men" details the presence of homosexual priests in the church who ran a number of seminaries and chased normal seminarians out. A number of homosexuals wanted to be priests as it was a good cover to have access to young boys. Benedict XVI cleaned up a lot of that mess, but Francis appears to be protecting the remaining detritus.
     
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    No, the true Christian wants to help the poor himself along with his neighbors and his fellow Christians. Before government programs, that was largely how it was done. I was born in a Catholic hospital founded and funded by wealthy businessmen in the parish in which I was raised. The hospital was founded to give care to the indigent, and had paying customers to help offset the cost of care to the poor.

    Helping by use of "government programs" means stealing by force the assets and income of productive citizens, placing the funds in the hands of bureaucrats who will decide who are worthy and under what conditions to receive the largesse the bureaucrats decide is necessary -after extracting pay and benefits for the bureaucrats, administrators, clerks, etc. etc, etc. I trust private citizens to better care voluntarily for the downtrodden far more than I do greedy, crooked bureaucrats.
     
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