Army officer sues Virginia police over violent traffic stop

No I think the person who is pulled over should comply with the officers instructions. How about you be honest?

 

As I said, Comply or Die. You use more words, but it does not add anything.

We are all free to do those things, it is sad you think you are not.

When my son was 16 there was an empty house in our subdivision that was vandalized and the police had a name of all the high school kids in the area and went around talking to them. The cops came to the house and tried to get me to not stand there when they were talking to my son, I did not comply even though it pissed them off. Then they told him he had to give up some names or else, he did not comply (because he could not, but even if he could have he is not a snitch). The meeting came to an abrupt end when one of the cops said to me "if this was my son....". At that point I told them to get the **** off my property as we were done, and they complied!

 

Far too often when the law isn’t on their side, cops resort to intimidation or just hoping the person they’re dealing with doesn’t know the law.

 

He did, the cop told him he should be afraid and he was. It’s sad you’ll make excuses for such thuggish behavior.

 

In this case what they did was tell the LT that they talked to the chief, and that if he would just drive off and keep his mouth shut, they'd not charge him, otherwise they were going to charge him with obstruction, and ruin his career.

Turns out, he said hell no, ended up with no charges anyway, a commendation from his superiors, the chief fired the officer who lied, and he's lined up for a million dollar payday.

 

Exactly. They rely on the intimidation factor. My ex called the cops on me at least 40 times (during a messy divorce). I was always compliant and cordial but a few of them were bullies intent on hurting me because they knew their Chief would cover it up (and he did). Nevertheless, they knew they had nothing on me so I've never been arrested or charged with anything and I attribute that to not being intimidated by their bluster.

Here's a funny thing that happened to me. I drove to the ER because I was having a problem. It was night time. A hospital security guard came out and started yelling at me. I was a bit taken aback by his very aggressive tone. At that point, like this guy, I was afraid to exit my vehicle. He was literally yelling at me through my closed window. I turned on the radio and just ignored him. He took his flashlight out and started flashing in my face through the window so I moved the visor to that side. I let him stand there screaming for a good 20 minutes. Finally he stopped and this is what happened.

Cop Wannabe: How in the hell can you ignore me after all that?
Me: I'm a parent. I'm trained to deal with crazy.

He actually started laughing at that. He offered to help me get inside to the ER (which should have been his purpose in the first place) but I managed on my own.

I really, really advocate that police officers and security guards need to go through some kind of continued education programs the way doctors and nurses have to. I also think we need to destigmatize mental health problems. I know several officers who were on the brink of suicide or homicide that were not willing to get help because it would derail their careers. It makes NO sense to have these people carry badges and guns and not do a "check in" every now and again. As we have all witnessed, it's dangerous to have these ticking time bombs on the street.

 

If I were pulled over for having a temporary tag and were immediately greeted with the threat of lethal force, despite having done nothing, then I'll do my best to get that lunatic fired. Especially if he, like the officers here, tells me that I should be scared even if I obey and then later goes on to falsify a policy report. But keep pretending there is something unreasonable about expecting police to obey the law and use reasonable use of force.

 

All temporary tags are justification for detainment and the threat of lethal force? That's absolutely insane.

 

I'm sorry you got caught making **** up about a crime he committed. But I'll keep quoting the constitution, which you either don't understand or don't seem to like for some reason.

4th amendment.

 

several strawmen

The officer did not issue a lawful command.

They should probably tell them that they have rights and if an officers commands are not lawful, tell them to **** off. Why do you want to live in a communist authoritarian police state?

 

as you know, this was not a lawful order, which is why there are no consequences for the lieutenant, other than he will be getting a nice settlement amount from the city.

why do you want to live in a communist authoritarian police state?

 

Well for me it reminded me of the time I was driving back to my office when a cop spotted my out of date license sticker. I drove slowly for a good quarter mile then pulled into my office parking lot. The cop followed me and blocked my then parked car from moving. Came to my window for my license and registration and insurance. He took my papers to his car. Came back and handed me my papers. Jumped back into his patrol car and I never saw him again. A nice cop.

 

I was just watching some tick tocks showing how cops intimidate people trying to file a complaint. It’s ridiculous what cops get away with. We wouldn’t put up with that crap from any other govt employees.

 

Why would you pull a gun on yourself?

 

I don't care.

 

Yep. Doctors and cops have licenses to kill.

I mentioned it before but can't recall if it was in this thread. My father is a retired Chicago cop. I was severely abused as a child. One night, he punched my sister and kicked her in the face when she fell. I jumped on him to get him off her and he got me in the face. I grabbed my sister and we ran six blocks to the police station. Both of us were bleeding and starting to swell up pretty fast. The desk sergeant threw us out and ended our dismissal with "Come back if he kills one of you". No joke. They wouldn't even get us medical help. I've lost count how many times my father beat the hell out of me in public. A few bystanders would call the cops. Same thing. No report. No ambulance. Not even a "talking to" for my dad. It's brutal how they cover for one another. And, I saw it when I was a cop. It's sick and twisted.

 

Didnt threaten to kill you? Does sound like a nice cop. Sadly too many aren’t.

 

The lieutenant did the right thing by driving to a well lit area. If he had stopped immediately, things might have turned out worse for him.

 

Since the cop was fired, and the Lt is suing him and his department, I see the Lt as being able to pay cash for his vehicle as well as help make some lawyer rich.

 

I think it should be obvious to any law enforcement officer that people are already anxious about being pulled over. As the person with the authority, it's the officer's job to "set the tone" of the exchange. In this incident, the officer chose to be combative (for no reason I can determine from the video). I mention this because it bothers me that people look at these types of videos and assume the person is AUTOMATICALLY the bad guy because he or she is a bit nervous.

 

No, baseless paranoia, the LT should just have co-operated, it's insane that he didn't.

Untrue.

No, everyone is the same and should react the same. People who are nervous are obviously guilty of something,

 

Because ‘all you black people look alike to me’....?

 

Resent it all you want. Going forward, please either ignore my posts or quote them in full.

Maybe you should call a tech guy to come look at your keyboard because it's randomly removing words from poster's statements.

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I watched this video many times....and I think him driving to a public place was acceptable. Not sure why he stayed in the vehicle ate the gas station after being repeatedly asked to get out. Just get out and they will handcuff you.

The cop who said he would "ride the lighting" was justifiable fired today. But I just dont understand why he didn't get out of the vehicle at the gas station