If there is a God, does he want us to get the vaccine?

That's true. But I'd expect something more from a great Greek philosopher with an estimated 180 IQ. Perhaps his unusual brilliance went to his head.

 

People only really know what they've been brought up to believe.
Philosophy is nothing more than speaking BS about what one thinks without any basis.

Math/Physics on the other hand look at things from the point of how the world actually operates.

I've never put much stock into philosophy. Anyone can basically say whatever they want and never need to provide evidence for such claim.

But that doesn't mean, philosophical thinking can't lead to some break through for human kind. As it does explore the what if world.

 

You might recall seeing some answers to this in previous threads. Individuals sometimes become convinced of God's existence as a result of perceptions experienced in an altered state of consciousness. It may manifest as a voice in the head. It may be more prevalent in the 20 percent or so who are particularly subject to being hypnotized. I don't know how it happened to poster Injeun, but I don't seem to be much of a candidate other than indicated by rare incidents such as a few OBEs.

I like the suggestion that there is a "larger consciousness system" working in place of God within the earth/solar/universe physical system, a la Tom Campell or somewhat per Robert Monroe. God, the source, is somewhere outside our familiar dimensions.

As you may have noticed, I am not a big fan of the personification habit, a habit of those who carry on as if God is looking over their shoulder, although I am pretty sure that some kind of outside aid/guidance did once help rescue me in a desparate situation.

 

Chalk that up to a shortcoming of Plato. He didn't know about tombs & artifacts of ancient rulers in Mexico or South America indicating lifetimes alternating between male and female, white and black, or modern witnesses recalling previous incarnations as the opposite sex.

 

I chalk it up to human imagination and philosophy, which I wouldn't trust with the eternal welfare of my soul, regardless the theory's temporally pleasing nature. To me it is cultish and smacks of procrastination.

 

RE: If there is a God, does he want us to get the vaccine?
SUBTOPIC: The Issues of Philosophical Development!
※→ Injeun, et al,

OPENING: There is nothing wrong with any belief (not drug-induced) that results in a tranquil and positive mental outcome. And beliefs such as this are not subject to argument on any level. (If it works - then it works... Do not fix something that is not broken.) This is parallel to the ethics that science and philosophy should do no harm in breaking down the personal belief structures of those that are sovereign unto themselves. Education and enlightenment should not be used as a tool of any sort. They are providing the necessary support to the primary activities of advancing human development.

(COMMENT)

It is the job of the Neotic institutions to help humanity better understand those events and occurrences that are beyond the understanding of the fundamental cornerstones of traditional scientific study (FCTSS). In general, events such as an "out of body experience" (OBE) are beyond energies devoted to the FCTSS; but not necessarily beyond the study by the Noetic Institutions and Metaphysics involved in those that attempt to detect and identify the source of the objects of a person's perception. The processes of the mind are not totally understood. But we do know that IF you think it, THEN there is an energy behind it. The human consciousness is a bio-electric consequence of the mind. And that is a footprint that can be explored.


Most Respectfully,
R

 

Very true. And who knows, his beliefs may have been an improvement on whatever preceded him. I sometimes wonder if I could meet all my forefathers/mothers back to the beginning of time, I would love them all, no matter their faults or peculiarities.

 

I'll take "consciousness [as] a bio-electric consequence of the mind" as involving something more than a bio-electric consequence of brain physiology/chemistry/electrical activity.

 

I'll go with the trust that the eternal welfare of my soul is not going to be tripped up just because I don't buy all of prevailing dogma that emphasizes conformance to avoid punishment and disqualification.

 

I see and respect your point. But to be honest I have to say that everything in life is conformance to bring good, and to damn or avoid the bad. Eating properly, exercise and enough sleep for health. Getting up and to work on time to put food on the table and avoid being fired. Building standards to avoid catastrophe and provide comfort. As far as one looks in life, there is conformity to beget the good and keep the bad at bay. So why anyone would see God and salvation as something alien or strange when it is merely the perfect continuance of everything good in this life, is an irrational position to me. Still, it is a private matter.

 

RE: If there is a God, does he want us to get the vaccine?
SUBTOPIC: The Issues of Philosophical Development!
※→ Gelecski7238, et al,

THOUGHT: Brain activity is bio-electrically measured all the time in the form of:

◈ oxygenated/deoxygenated blood flow. (fMRI)
◈ electrical activity by each cortical layer (EEG)
◈ H-Field activity by neural activity (MEG)​

(COMMENT)

As you read this, you are using your "mind" (we think). And other than to test mental capacity, via testing, we assign many intellectual capabilities (including consciousness, perception, thought, and the application of experience) to that which we call the "mind." We know that, for instance, when the brain is damaged, we might suffer the loss of various capacities previously held. But, we really do not know how these neural networks support these capabilities. We know for instance that injury to the "Broca's Area of the brain can adversely affect speech, but we do not know how the neural network is connected to get that capability in the first place. This is the mystery of the mind.

When you say: "involving something more..." undoubtedly you are correct. But we do not know what that "something" is, or how many "somethings" are involved. This is where supernatural studies attempt to close the gap with natural studies.

When the patient in the operating room describes an "out of body experience" (OBE), we do not know how that works. Because it cannot meet the rigors of the scientific method, it is ignored in many cases. And this is where the paranormal begins the investgation.


Most Respectfully,
R

 

“He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you? To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.” Micah 6:8
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Since the beginning of time, mankind has employed conscience and love in almost everything we do, all day, every day. But it cannot be addressed by science. Is it supernatural? Or is it just such a normal part of everyday activities that we take it for granted, like breathing or a beating heart. Does it not exist because it can't be shown, framed, measured, weighed, touched or qualified? Since it is spirit and has no origin in the natural world, then from whence has it come. Should we throw it away along with consideration of God?

 

Clearly God doesnt want me to get the vaccine. I wont try to speak for Him to others though.

 

Maybe God is paying more attention to species that act in the interest of their survival like cockroaches, termites, and fleas. Why would God care anymore about a species that has a death wish and appears to take other species with it?

 

RE: If there is a God, does he want us to get the vaccine?
SUBTOPIC: The Intention of the Supreme Being...
※→ btthegreat, et al,

PREFACE: If there is a Supreme Being, what characteristics do we assign this Being? Can we answer for sure that the creator actually set all the conditions (conceivability mechanics) necessary to create man → having done so with a purpose (a concept with purposive)? Can mortal man even conceive the intention and desires of a Supreme Being?

(COMMENT)

There are a vast number of assumptions made here (implied or directly stated) that give us pause in determining the answer to the question" → Why would the Supreme Being, the power that can create life, with less effort than it takes to blink an eye, even care?


Most Respectfully,
R

 

If that's your logic, then you shouldn't ever seek medical attention. For anything. Ever. You really didn't think this through.

 

You claimed Plato was the "founder or reincarnation." Belief in reincarnation far predates Plato, and even in this post you admit that reincarnation predates Plato. Which is it?

 

I was being sarcastic which is dangerous I realize. Sorry for any hurt feelings.

 

I'm not sure, but I know you're going to hell for creating this thread.

 

I think what happens to you when you die is whatever you believed would happen to you when you were alive.

If you believe you are going to go to heaven when you are alive, you go to heaven.

If you believe you will be reincarnated when you are alive, you will be reincarnated when you die.

et cetera.

 

You are correct that he didn't found the concept. But the version he founded places women as formerly failed men. So I suppose the rationale goes that a failed woman returns as a quadruped or something. At any rate, it is a man made philosophy attempting to make sense of life. On the other hand, Judeo/Christian belief is a message from God, or the testimony by various individuals of Gods appearance or influence in their lives.

 

During OBE the brain wave pattern is not like it is at any other time. Experts don't know what to make of it.

 

It's a matter of discerning which standards relevant to that path have the most credibility.

 

IF there is a "god" , it seems that we have the "free will" to make decisions for ourselves based on the science and valid information available to us. "god
has nothing to with it. nor does any part of the so called spirit world. WE are responsible for OUR own decisions.....and actions.