Derek Chauvin Appeals Murder Conviction, Claims Protesters Intimidated Jury

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  1. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    he was handcuffed on the ground when this occurred

    we all saw the video, even other cops do not support what this cop did
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    no one said he did, he was handcuffed and laying on the ground when this cop did that to him
     
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    I'm not the one being obtuse, I am quoting you here

    How did a fake $20 bill kill him? Please explain. I know you think your statement is quaint and cute but................

    Did a fake $20 shove pills down his throat? Did a fake $20 somehow make him resist arrest? Did a fake $20 make him fight with the officers trying to get him sitting in the vehicle while medical help was on the way? Did a fake $20 make him jump out the other side of the vehicle throwing himself to the ground? Did a $20 bill make his heart stop pumping efficiently so that he was no longer getting oxygen pumped through his body?

    Stop being obtuse and leaving out what REALLY killed him. His own actions.
     
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    Trial Judge Peter Cahill denied the defense's motion to change the venue for the trial of Derek Chauvin.

    Big mistake. The judge should have granted the motion and in failing to do so, created grounds for a viable appeal.

    The appellate court should vacate and remand. There's no possible way an impartial jury could have been selected.
     
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    Chauvin's actions were consistent with departmental policy. If I wanted to escape custody, I come up with any possible lie I could think of just for a chance to escape.

    You might want to read the Supreme Court's reasoning in Scott v. Harris, 550 U.S. 372 (2007) and an 8-1 decision which is applicable here:

    So how does a court go about weighing the perhaps lesser probability of injuring or killing numerous bystanders against the perhaps larger probability of injuring or killing a single person? We think it appropriate in this process to take into account not only the number of lives at risk, but also their relative culpability. It was respondent, after all, who intentionally placed himself and the public in danger by unlawfully engaging in the reckless, high-speed flight that ultimately produced the choice between two evils that Scott confronted.

    If Floyd had not resisted, he would not have been on the ground in the first place.
     
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    The technique is fine, i can’t count the number of times I’ve done it. He did this to his own stupid self, he was a life long loser and we’re better off without Floyd. Had ems arrived a little sooner this would have not been an issue.
     
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    putting your knee on a handcuffed prisoner for 9 minutes was not department policy

    had he used the knee briefly until he could get him cuffed, sure, but once cuffed things change

    whatever happened prior to being cuffed does not come into play as a defense claim

    Floyd paid for his mistakes with his life, the office is paying for his own mistakes with prison time
     
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    I think that is why it's good Chauvin was sent to prison, to send a message that this is not appropriate

    no one should be putting a knee on a suspect's neck AFTER he has been handcuffed
     
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    He was dying before he put HIMSELF on the ground where he did not have to be had he not fought his way OUT of the police SUV and onto the ground he might still be alive. But he did not die from suffocation, his heart and pulmonary system failed and that killed him.
     
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    Where do you get the idea that someone in handcuffs cannot get violent. Floyd was handcuffed when he fought his way out of the SUV and on the ground, he was handcuffed when he fought so hard he busted his lip. Keeping him pinned to the ground was for HIS protection from harming himself and in control as the ambulance was arriving any second. He had already fought with them the first time and they got him subdued, and then he fought with them a second time and they got him subdued, they weren't going to let him do it again for his and their own safety.
     
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    Whining is acting like a lunatic?
    I envision a lunatic as one who's ranting, raving, throwing things, and acting very aggressive.

    ...
    Definition of lunatic

    1 dated
    a : affected with a severely disordered state of mind : insane
    b : designed for the care of mentally ill people a lunatic asylum
    2 : wildly foolish a lunatic idea lunatic behavior

    ...
    Now based on 1a: maybe, but I didn't notice a disordered state of mind.
     
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    You've knelt on necks for almost 9 minutes?
     
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    Obtuse was the nicest word I could think of so I didn't get reported as you often do that.
     
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    The Supreme Court has repeatedly disagreed.
     
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    I'm a racist?

    Lol.

    You clearly have run out of any logical response. Don't worry though, it's typical when progressives try to take their logic down a road of discussion.

    I'll be sure to tell my Asian wife and two Black daughters this evening I'm a racist because you ran out of defenses.
     
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    i should mention that being handcuffed doesn’t make you totally controllable. It’s across the shoulder and jawline, there’s a class on how to do this. He’s in prison because idiots in that city tried him in the press and they’d rather put him in jail than deal with the clowns who were gonna torch everything.
     
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    it’s across the shoulder and jawline. This has been used for years, there’s yt vids of this. Maybe I did, I don’t remember every suspect I’ve ever fought with, just some of the really nasty ones.
    Countless times this has been used with no issue whatsoever, but a drugged out loon on respiratory depressants doesn’t wear a shirt describing how to handle them when they resist.
     
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    Chauvin's knee didn't appear to be across the shoulder and jawline. But directly on the neck.
     
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    Profoundly inaccurate

    The evidence comes directly from the body cameras of the officers. Officer Kueng says when Floyd stops showing a pulse, and repeats himself, and officer Chauvin responds with a "huh" remark, but maintains pressure on Floyd's neck
     
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    I see it right across the shoulder and jaw line. He didn't die of asphyxiation.
     
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    False. There have been multiple angles showing that not to be true
     
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    Yes he did die of asphyxiation. That is what the coroner concluded.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd
     
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    Your link doesn’t quite back that up. The official medical examiner did not find that. The autopsy commissioned by the family of George Floyd did. I guess it depends on what you want to go with. The medical examiner or the people hired by Floyd’s family….
     
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    Sorry, that's from the group the family, who booted floyd years ago for what we know now is his stupid lifestyle, commissioned. Fighting with the cops while on loads of drugs including a known respiratory depressant will not end well.
     
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    Yes it does under the Death section, the family had another autopsy and that was their conclusion.
     

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