“DOJ tries to oust US attorney investigating Trump allies”

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    WASHINGTON (AP) — The Justice Department moved abruptly Friday night to oust Geoffrey S. Berman, the U.S. attorney in Manhattan overseeing key prosecutions of President Donald Trump’s allies and an investigation of his personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani.”

    “The move to oust Berman also comes days after allegations surfaced from former Trump national security adviser John Bolton that the president sought to interfere in an Southern District of New York investigation into the state-owned Turkish bank in an effort to cut deals with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan.“

    “Barr offered no explanation for why he was pushing out Berman in the statement he issued late Friday. The White House quickly announced that Trump was nominating the chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission to the job, a lawyer with virtually no experience as a federal prosecutor.“

    https://apnews.com/e9ecba75a9d528ad1de7af33f978f007

    News you will not see on FOX

    SCOTUS is about to rule on the NY District’s suit over Trump taxes, Bolton’s book discloses further Trump efforts to influence the judicial process, and the District is close to slamming the door on Rudi’s activities, and Barr suddenly without issuing cause decides to replace the chief prosecutor with a Trump loyalist with zero experience

    If anyone still had doubts about Barr being Trump’s personal attorney and not the Attorney General of the US this should be the last straw, couldn’t be anymore obvious now, the Justice Dept isTrump’s personal law firm

    Going to make for an interesting confirmation hearing in the Senate
     
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    Why is it Barr who doing the firing?

    Doesn't the Felon-in-Chief have the authority to fire a US Attorney?

    Is this going through lickspittle Barr because otherwise this firing would REEK of Nixon's Watergate firings?
     
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    There is an earlier thread on this, but your OP brings up a very interesting point. Grassley has said he would hold up Trump nominees to something or other because of the administrations failure to provide valid reasons for firing IGs.

    I wonder if he'll do the same for this attempted firing under similar circumstances...
     
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    Berman says "I have not resigned, and have no intention of resigning."
    :applause:
     
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    He is leaving the DOJ so nobody is trying to do anything. All they have to do is replace him. It's pretty simple. It's probably just an administrative mix up. They will replace him and he has nothing to say about it. They just need to confirm his replacement. Oh, and Fox did carry it. They posted this yesterday and updated it today.

    US attorney in New York disputes Barr claim that he's resigning
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-attorney-in-new-york-disputes-barr-claim-that-hes-resigning

    I often wonder if liberals ever get embarrassed when they are wrong or are they just so used to it that it doesn't matter anymore.

    knee-jerk
    /ˈnē ˈˌjərk/
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    adjective: knee-jerk; adjective: kneejerk
    (of a response) automatic and unthinking.
    "a knee-jerk reaction"
     
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    What's it like living in spin alley?
     
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    What did I post that isn't the truth? Please include links. The Trump administration put him there. They will replace him.

    From the article:
    "Berman worked for the same law firm as Giuliani and was put in his job by the Trump administration."
     
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    You claim he's leaving the DOJ; Berman says otherwise.
     
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    OMFG.

    They are trying to push him out BEFORE they can get someone confirmed because he is investigating Rudy Giuliani’s firm. They know that they have to get someone confirmed, and they know that he is going to cause big problems for them if he actually investigates Giulianis firm before they can replace him.

    YES, he will be replaced, but they are trying to force him out so he cant investigate any more. FFS, Stevie Wonder can see this one
     
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    Berman says he will leave once a nominee is confirmed by the Senate. meaning he will likely fight some temporary tool being put in there (versus a permanent tool)..
     
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    Oh.. I didn't see this news yesterday... Grassley pussied out, so he won't be any use here (shocking nobody)...

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...es-over-inspector-general-firings/ar-BB15J5qp
     
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    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
    Friday, June 19, 2020
    Statement Of U.S. Attorney Geoffrey S. Berman On Announcement By Attorney General Barr
    “I learned in a press release from the Attorney General tonight that I was ‘stepping down’ as United States Attorney. I have not resigned, and have no intention of resigning, my position, to which I was appointed by the Judges of the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York. I will step down when a presidentially appointed nominee is confirmed by the Senate. Until then, our investigations will move forward without delay or interruption. I cherish every day that I work with the men and women of this Office to pursue justice without fear or favor – and intend to ensure that this Office’s important cases continue unimpeded.”
    https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/p...y-s-berman-announcement-attorney-general-barr
     
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    Already does stink of Nixon’s Saturday Night Massacre
     
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    He is not “leaving” on his own accord, Barr intends on ousting him, and he is fighting to stay, seeing he was appointed by a Judge, anything but an “administrative mix up,” Barr, aka Trump, wants him gone, for obvious reasons, the NY District is getting close
     
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    That it is just an “administrative mix up,” and that he is “just leaving so nobody is doing anything,” the guy had to read in the paper that Barr said he was resigning

    And of course they will replace him, with a Trump loyalist who has zero experience, at the very moment the District is awaiting the SCOTUS decision on Trump’s taxes, new revelations concerning Trump and Turkey, and the boom getting closer on Rudi, in an election year no less, just coincidental I’m sure you’ say
     
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    Trump says otherwise. Berman's an idiot. He's fired.

    AG Barr: Trump has fired SDNY federal prosecutor who refused to leave
    In a letter to Geoffrey Berman obtained by Fox News, Barr said he asked Trump to fire Berman after the federal prosecutor said Friday he planned to stay on the job against the Trump Administration's wishes.

    "Unfortunately, with your statement of last night, you have chosen public spectacle over public service," Barr said in the letter. "Because you have declared that you have no intention of resigning, I have asked the President to remove you as of today, and he has done so."

    Barr said Deputy U.S. Attorney Audrey Strauss will take over until a permanent successor is in place.
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/william-barr-trump-fired-sdny-federal-prosector

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    Another brazen act of corruption to obstruct justice by the Trump administration.
    Thanks for the update.
    (sarc)
     
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    Translation, Trump told Barr to fire Berman, and now, since caught, the Administration is fabricating reasons

    Berman didn’t even know he was fired till he saw it in the media, ergo, understandably, Berman said he has no intention of leaving, and so now Barr claims he asked Trump to fire Berman because he said he wasn’t leaving

    Another Saturday Night Massacre, third world bullish*t, welcome to MAGA America
     
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    Keep drinking the kool-aid.

    WHY did they have to fire him before confirming another to take his place ? Oh yeah, cause he’s investigating Rudy and his firm.

    How many people who are actually upholding the law have to get fired before you even start paying attention ? I’m sure you would be fine with this if it was a democrat. If a democrat fired even one IG, you would loose your damn minds and be hanging that person in effigy in the streets tonight while carrying torches.

    Not only are they firing anyone who even tries to investigate the corruption of this administration, they are doing brazenly in the open. And not only that, nobody on the right side of the isle is blinking an eye, hell, their actually supporting it. It’s beyond amazing to watch, but is also so damn scary that you and yours refuse to hold them accountable to ANYTHING

    IMHO, when the next administration comes in, they WILL investigate what’s has happened is the last few months, and we will see what’s really happened. But the right wont believe it and call it some democratic hoax. Hell, I honestly believe Trump could shoot a baby on national TV, and his cult would claim the baby had it coming, or that it never happened and the video is a lie.
     
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    They have no shame nor scruples.
     
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    Not only will you see it but see it accurately reported

    AG Barr says Trump has fired SDNY federal prosecutor who refused to leave; president says he's 'not involved'

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/william-barr-trump-fired-sdny-federal-prosector

    And as the WSJ reported

    "People close to Mr. Barr said he had been growing unhappy with Mr. Berman for months and had been searching for a replacement. He had considered removing Mr. Berman at least once last year but put the plan on hold around the time Mr. Giuliani’s associates, Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, were indicted, people familiar with the matter said.

    Several people said Mr. Barr was frustrated with Mr. Berman’s leadership overall, viewing him as obstinate and not a team player.

    “Given the importance of the day-to-day work of the Southern District, it’s critical that the attorney general and the department have a relationship with the U.S. attorney that’s marked by good rapport, being on the same page and someone in whom the attorney general has complete confidence,” said George Terwilliger, a friend of Mr. Barr who was his deputy when he held the job in the 1990s. “For whatever reason, that relationship just didn’t develop.”"
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/barr-s...r-at-his-request-11592681906?mod=hp_lead_pos1

    US Attorney's serve at the pleasure of the AG and the President. Nothing to see here.
     
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    Nothing like turning a blind eye; Berman's not corrupt,Trump and his cronies are.
     
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    What was that he said ?
    i.e. “He wont stop investigation the corruption in our government that we are part of, so he must go”.....

    FFS
     
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    “Given the importance of the day-to-day work of the Southern District, it’s critical that the attorney general and the department have a relationship with the U.S. attorney that’s marked by good rapport, being on the same page and someone in whom the attorney general has complete confidence,”

    US Attorney's are not autonomous lone rangers. They have bosses too you know. They are expected work within the guidelines and parameters of their upper levels and with their higher authority and not use their offices as some unaccountable fiefdom.
     
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    JFC. You cannot be serious?

    You think he should have a”good rapport” with the people he is investigating ? The fact that you and yours cannot grasp the fact that he was fired by the guy he was investigating is laughable.

    They actually ARE “lone rangers”. They have to have autonomy to not be hindered in their investigative ability, and scope, unless that is forwarded by the courts. You know that he was investigating Trump and Giuliani right ? THATS why they had to get him out before he got to far. He must have been getting close on something and thats why he had to go NOW.

    You can wax poetic all you want about the rule of law, and how they should “lock her up”, but we understand your hypocrisy now. We literally have the Trump administration investigating themselves, selectively releasing politically expedient information, and then they fire anyone who gets close to them, and you and yours don't blink an eye, and actually support what’s going on. Nixon only got caught because he did his all at once, Trump learned from that and is doing it over time, but lets be clear here, they both did the very same thing

    Irony much ?
     
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