17 year old child punches ref once and kills him

Yep. And murder is intentional. Someone punches someone and that person dieing for who knows what reason is not murder.

 

However, now you know it actually is possible to die from just ONE blow to the head. So therefore, anytime you risk that, you risk killing someone, so its attempted murder, but technically if the person lives its usually just assault. But it can be argued either way at this point. This kid did this in a fit of rage.

 

It is also possible for the wave function of every particle in my body to expand and collapse on the dark side of the moon.

It is so unlikely I am not worried about. Like freak accidents.

 

Ok, well its a chance you take when you become full of rage over a soccer game and accidently end someones life by punching them where their brain is located. I guess we should just let him go and hope he doesn't someday punch his crying child in the head?

 

Freak accidents dude.

Use common sense.

 

Not likrly. He is a jock with an attitude problem that got somebody killed. He needs to be locked up and put into therapy for his anger control issues for the good of himself and society. There is a limit to the punishments that can be given for manslaughter and murder for good reason. If you can get the same punishment for manslaughter as for willful murder, you have nothing to lose by killing a witness.

Some people just lose all perspective some times.

 

Organized sports attract a lot of righties.

 

I thought you liked Alpha Males.

 

If the player is White, throw the book at him. But if he looks like he could have been Obama's son, he's just an innocent child stalked by a wannabe-cop referee.

 

I want to die in my sleep like my grandfather. Not screaming like his passengers.

 

What's alpha about what happened here?

 

in my state, I ref wrestling.... if a kid hits or assualts a ref (push, etc), it's a FELONY assault... automatically.

I'm about 170.... I'm in great shape, and was a helluva wrestler in my own right back in the day... but there are some 17 y.o. kids out there that are HUGE.... I have reffed kids that were 6'6, 250# this past season. Good kid... but no matter how bad a wrestler the kid was and how good I like to remember myself as.... if he had ever got mad and tried to fight me.... I lose

http://www.spike.com/video-clips/i6vy4w/shocking-moments-wrestler-headbutt

(I can't find this clip on youtube... but watch this headbutt)

I reffed a match of a kid who pinned his own self. When I raised the other kid's hand, the loser went bazerk. He was an 8th grader, snatched away from me and yelled "YOU'RE A F'N PRI**" and then ran off crying. Now if he turns and swings, there's not much I could have done.

it doesn't matter that this kid didn't mean to kill the ref.... bottom line... he did, and then fled, and was in hiding until he had no choice but to turn himself in.

 

Well, you didn't specify any single part of what I wrote as wrong, so you must be saying you disagree with everything I wrote. Hmm, let's go over my post point by point.

Okay, so you disagree that the last thing the ref needed was to get killed. I still think we don't always get what we want, but maybe you do. I'm fine with that.

Well, the OP states the perp is 17, not sure how you can argue against it. Perhaps you currently live in Narnia. And here in the US, there have been plenty of kids charges as adults when they commit a violent act. There is this instance of an 11 year old charged as an adult, but that is the NYT, a well-known liberal rag that makes up stories as naturally as we breathe every day.

Well, the OP says "That's when detectives intensified their search for the goalie. By Saturday evening, the teenager's father agreed to bring him down to speak with police." I'm assuming that if the police were intensifying a search for Punchy McSmackhead, he must not have been in the general vicinity or waiting around for a ride to the station.

Okay, you may have me on this one. In my defense, I was thinking of this part of the op here when I wrote it: "When he was writing down his notes, he just came out of nowhere and punched him," she said." That usually describes someone who was unseen or unnoticed in a crowd coming at you. The person saying that might have put it better by saying "The PUNCH came out of nowhere," but eh, what can you do.

Well, I don't know what the judge will do. Perhaps you do, in which case - can I have next weeks winning Lotto numbers? I still think buying the lubricant is a wise investment if things don't go so well, and hey, if he's found not guilty, maybe he can use the extra on his feet in the summertime so the skin doesn't dry out.

 

No, what was done to this coach was NOT a 'freak accident'....

If someone walked up to you and delivered a deliberate crushing blow to your head, causing severe brain damage, you would consider that a 'freak accident'?

What that kid did was a deliberate act of malice and 17 yr old kids should be old enuf to understand about blows to the head and it can result in death....

 

Good grief...... go read up on severe blows to the brain.

 

This is one of the better, more sensible posts who understands the severity of being punched in the head. Delivering a hard blow to the temple of the head where there's an artery which will cause hemmoraging, soaking the brain w/blood is fatal if the person doesn't get to the ER fast.....

 

Well, the world I live in, if someone walks up to another and punches them hard in the head and the person dies - it is not a 'freak accident'. There's nothing 'accidental' about deliberating hitting someone.

And yes, one blow to the head CAN kill someone, as you have found out in this case - particularly to the temple of the head.........

 

He wasn't punched in the brain.

Are you also prepared to ban football?

This was a freak accident.

 

Difference is football is volunteer ...

 

What do you expect to prove here? A kid lost control and killed someone. Why the excuses?

 

WHAT?

2nd degree murder 25 to life is the appropriate charge.

 

My mistake. Because I kept thinking of the article saying he had SWELLING IN THE BRAIN after the thug punched him in the face...

So, there you have it.....throw a heavy punch in the face, particularly in the forehead OR head of someone and your future might be pretty dismal for a lot of yrs b/c you just might kill that person....... if not killing them, then leaving them brain-damaged.

Alrightie ... so you're another one who doesn't believe in holding someone accountable for their deliberate intentions to hurt someone.... "Oh dear! The fella died after you punched him in the face? Well, no worries..... we'll just call it a freak accident".I mean, really! How were you supposed to know he would die?"......... got it!