17 year old child punches ref once and kills him

Wow, you PULVERIZED that straw man, dude!

 

And tray went after Zimmy. No matter how pumped up you get you no not do that.

 

Oh I don't know. Maybe heat from global warming drove this kid nuts.

 

Take a bow

 

I love it when Republican/conservatives get their nose out of joint because we bring up the Bimbo Sarah Palin in a negative way!

At least we're not stupid and want to give him the death penalty when the cause of death hasn't even been determined. I think the 17 year old needs anger management and should be punished for hitting the ref, but I'm not going to jump to judgement like trigger-happy Republicans and claim that the punch killed him.
The ref may have had a tumor that was ruptured when he was hit, and it became inflammed, but until the autopsy is done, all those giving their pronouncements only sound foolish.

 

You're not racist, are you?

http://bossip.com/698648/race-matters-study-claims-white-men-are-more-likely-to-commit-mass-murders-than-blacks-or-any-other-racial-group/

 

if the PUNCH (illegal act) ruptured the tumor.... he's still the cause.

its a typical case.... it wasn't the punch that killed him, it was the swelling of the brain that killed him.... but the punch CAUSED the brain to swell.

 

Who said it was "quite a bit"?

I don't see where it makes any difference and WHO took the measurements or weight and made the statement the the player was "quite a bit" larger?

Talk about running from your claim. Are you withdrawing your previous assertions?

So what?

The punch was devasting because 17 old athletes like Trayvon Martin can deliver such force contrary to your previous assertions.

So what, a 158 lb male can deliver devastating punches.

Yes as the ref was and we see the results.

Giving him even more fear of serious bodily harm.

No we see abrasions to his forehead and cheeks and two separate and distinct lacerations to the back of his head.

I think he claimed a headache and you don't have to wait until you are in a coma or dead to defend yourself. He had a 17 year old beating on him and as we see and contrary to your claims a 17 year CAN kill an adult with their bare hands.

We have posted several stories of 17 year old's and the other teen ager's beating people to death with their bare hands which you asserted could not happen. I have no further burden to refute an already refuted claim. Are you withdrawing it? I won't hold my breath as you now try to move the goal post a specious as that move is.

So tell me if the ref weighed 280lb and the player weighed 230lb you are saying it would have been impossible for him to have killed the ref with that blow?

 

At first, the referee didn't think he was hurt at all. This parallels Zimmerman not taking his injuries seriously, which the Travestites think makes him a murderer. I remember doing something that was painless at the time, but the next day felt like I had been punched hard.

People don't have much sympathy. I remember in Vietnam when I was dehydrated and out of my mind from the frying heat. Some other Marines criticized me for running to the medevac helicopter, as if that proved I could have finished the patrol.

 

I was attacked by a student back in 03.... I got kicked... hard....in the head and then put him to the ground and held him there until the school cop got there and arrested him.

Now, when the ordeal was under control.... I did not think I was hurt either. Adrenaline/shock to what just happened was weird. It wasn't until that started wearing off that I realized the extent of my injuries. the top of my hand was skinned badly from concrete. My knees, even the top of my back. I don't know when I got those injuries during the fracus, but point was, it was over an hour later that I was finding injuries still. Luckily, the head shot didn't do any damage.... but head injuries are strange.... just because ref didn't think he was hurt doesn't mean he wasn't, or that 'something else' led to his death and that this was poor timing on the kid's part to punch the ref.


and besides the Constitution saying 'innocent until proven guilty' on the Zimmerman issue.... I tend to believe his story, based on his reactions both before and after. Not thinking he was really hurt immediately after the attack does not mean he wasn't in fear for his life during the attack.

I was scared out of my mind when that kid attacked me. He was bigger, younger, MUCH stronger. I got lucky because I know how to grapple and could gain control in a scramble situation

Luck = training meeting opportunity.

I was/is trained enough that I could defend myself and not end up like Zimmerman did, back down, getting pounded, in my situation. But tehre were plenty of middle school kids that I couldn't fend off.

I coached a kid in wrestling the same build as Trayvon Martin. TALLLLLL, skinny, about 145#, and 15 y.o. I was about 26. HOLY.CRAP. that kid was athletic. Even the first day of wrestling practice, when he had NO knowledge of wrestling, he beat my butt in that room. He could do stuff 100% wrong and make it work and beat me. I have no doubt, a lighter Trayvon could do that to an older Zimmerman

 

The police.

The police.

Uh no, I have said from the get go that a 158lb 17yr old can't whoop a 205lb 28 yr old. That hasn't changed.

LOL, so what. Do you think if the kid was 50lbs smaller than the referee it would have made a difference.

How do you know Trayvon was an athlete? It has been said he hadn't played football since the 8th grade. Zimmerman was a bouncer. Now what?

Really, please tell me how many 158lb 17yr olds you know that have dropped 205lb 28 yr old.

Folks in the park saw the ref get suckerpunched, Zimmerman claimed to be suckerpunched. Big difference.

Wow and from all that serious bodily harm how much medical attention did it require? 0.

Can you please post the picture of all these abrasions.

Funny everything that happened to good ole Zimmerman was just a claim.

No, he claims that he had a 17yr old beating on him. Yea a 17yr old that was quite a bit larger than the man he suckerpunched.

Sorry, but you haven't posted on story of a 158lb 17yr old killing a 205lb 28yr old with his bare hands.

Thats because you can't.

There is nothing for me to withdraw, because you can't prove me wrong.

Its good.

No it wouldn't have been impossible if he weighed 230lbs, but if he weighed 158lbs I highly doubt it.

 

They weren't cited in your article and the first reports on said larger.

Prove they took those measurements, where is a link to police officials making those statements.

No you have said a 17 year old, teenagers could not kill someone with their bare hands.

No you do, so if the ref weigh 280lb and the player weighed 230lb then it would be impossible for the player to kill the ref with a single blow? Because you have now shifted your entire position to the weight difference.

That is how he has been quantified by the press.

For me nothing, the fact that a 17 year old can strike a blow and kill a twenty year has never been in doubt for me, you are the one that has to post specious nonsense to state otherwise.

You have been posted numerous incidences of teenagers killing or seriously injuring adults with their bare hands, why are you still in a state of denial?

What's the difference in the suckerpunch and unless you have evidence otherwise Zimmerman's state will be taken as fact in the trial.

The EMT's on the scene and the doctor the next day and a follow-up. How much medical attention is required before you can defend yourself according to the law?

They are in the pictures already posted and noted in the medical reports and EMT testimony which have all been previously cited.

Testimony, under oath.

And so what? It's OK to punch someone and threaten them with serious bodily harm if they are bigger than you?

Your contention was that a teenager could not kill an adult with their barehands and that was disproven long ago. So now you move the goal post so let's be clear.

It is now your assertion that it is impossible for a teenager who weighs less than an adult to cause serious bodily harm or to even kill that adult with their bare hands and therefor Zimmerman had no reason to believe he was in danger of serious bodily harm or death.

Is that correct?

Because it has been shown that teenagers can kill adults with their bare hands and if it is a sucker punch to a vital area size doesn't matter.

Are you claiming a woman could never take out a man with her bare hands too? A smaller woman?

I'm waiting for you to prove yourself correct, that a 17 year old could never kill an adult with their bare hands or that even a 50 lb weight difference matters especially when a sucker punch is involved or more to the point that a 158lb person could never be strong enough to strike someone hard enough to cause a coma or even death.

Why, could a 158 lb kill or cause serious harm to a 170 lb person with one blow? 158lb people by default are weaklings? I don't think so. What is the proof of your assertions.

 

Quite a bit larger, larger what is the freakin difference.

I don't need to prove who took the measurements. The article stated that the kid was larger now you prove that he wasn't since that is your claim.

Oh (*)(*)(*)(*) it has finally happened for once in our lifetime. Ok you got me 1 17yr old has killed a grown man with his bare hands.

I don't know since it hasn't happened.

LOL, see now the press claimed this kid was "quite a bit larger" and you don't want to believe it. Now you cite the press as saying he was an athlete. Can't have it both ways.

 

boy, you sure do suck at the multi-quoting thing. I'd love to debate your points... but trying to read, then respond, while fixing your quote tags is giving me cancer

 

So you don't know, you can't even quote the police making the statement let alone provide these measurements which are the entire crux of your argument. How laughable.

How on Babalou, I agreed the police said the player was larger. You said MUCH larger and QUITE larger. Where did the police quantify it into these proportions you claim take it from impossible for a 17 year old to cause serious bodily harm to and adult to where they could?

No we've shown you several before but it only takes one to prove the possibility, so why do you assert this is the only one in our lifetime?

And the reports were from the parents and family that he had been in athletics and we had pictures. Do you even have pictures to show how much larger the player was? You don't even know how big the ref is do you.

Me>>For me nothing, the fact that a 17 year old can strike a blow and kill a twenty year has never been in doubt for me, you are the one that has to post specious nonsense to state otherwise.

So that you have never seen it renders it impossible, that is your entire basis. So how about a 170lb. 17 yr. old? Or is it only possible once they are even weight? At what exact point IS it possible?

No I haven't but what are you talking about something like a concrete sidewalk?

You never limited it to just "a" blow in the past, just not at all. Moving the goal post now I see.

Me>> What's the difference in the suckerpunch and unless you have evidence otherwise Zimmerman's state will be taken as fact in the trial.

 

The punch may be the cause of the tumore rupturing, but the tumor rupturing would be the cause of death. And that would not be pre-meditated murder.

Well duh! It doesn't take rocket science to figure that out, now does it? Yeah, the punch caused the brain to swell, and the kid sure as hell didn't know he had a tumor did he, if that turns out to be the case.

 

cool your jetplane Jay Jay.... I'm on your side here. I'm a ref so I ABSOLUTELY am on the ref's side and want to see this kid in prison over this incident. I think you are reading my post you quoted, out of context.

I don't care if it was a tumor that exploded because of the hit.... I'm not blaming the preexisting condition, I'm still blaming the 17 y.o. I know the swelling of the brain that led to his death was caused by the punch.... even knowing that the ref didn't think he was hurt that bad initially. Brain injuries are strange. What can kill one, may do nothing to someone else. That still does not excuse the responsibility you face if the punch you throw in anger, kills someone.

 

If the punch (illegal act) caused the tumor to rupture (and we don't even know if that is the case), then the punch would not be the cause of death, the rupture would be. And since the kid had no way of knowing that he had a tumor, when he punched him (an illegal act), he didn't know that the punch would kill him, so there's no way that they are going to send the kid to prison for a long time.

And since when does one go to prison for a long time for punching someone?

I'm not saying that the kid needs to be excused of his responsibility, but some are arguing that he should go to prison for "murder" which is not the case here. He needs to be punished for "punching" the ref, but not for his death, unless they can prove that the punch, delivered to a specific area of the head, and that the kid was aware of this specific area of the head and deliberately hit him there in order to kill him. Fat chance.

 

What people should teach their kids is that yes, a KO punch can kill someone, especially a sucker punch. Usually it's not the trauma from the punch, but the trauma from their head hitting the ground when they fall that is lethal.

 

my girlfriend's 17 y.o. nephew could absolutely beat the shiz out of me and kill me with his fists. he's 6'2 and 250 of young, strong, athletic, testosterone driven man.

I ref kids his size all the time. I don't know how they will react to a call. I've had one curse me out, but refs in my association have had (HUGE) kids come after them on the wrestling mat. The one incident we all know about with our association senior member, the wrestlers coach (very large man himself) tackled the wrestler from behind when he saw what was happening. The coach was actually worried that in the writeup to the state about the incident, that he would get into trouble for being too physical with a student. But he did save our ref from being physically overwhelmed by a "kid"

 

This whole incident is a terrible tragedy.