300 Thousand Connecticut Gun Owners Face Jail Time Under New Law

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    Are howitzers arms?
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    Dang, it would wouldn't it?
     
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    It's called the Fourth Amendment. Also, if this database leads to what is being proposed, anti-gun groups and their allies in the state media are outright campaigning for authorities to "use the background check database" to round up an estimated 300,000 gun owners, fine them $5,000, and put them behind bars, the civil liberty violations will be on an even higher level.

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    Of course. America Idol is on.
     
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    Which they probably already have. And do you honestly believe they will register their weapons? Anytime, the words governmet and permit are used in the same sentence, there is a big problem.
     
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    If they didn't comply with the law, whether they agreed with it or not, they are not law abiding citizens now are they?

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    You kidding me??? We'll most likely have men on Jupiter before these guys lose their chicken-littleness. :)
     
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    Arrest them, charge them with a felony, thus they'll lose their privilege to vote, own firearms, any federal commercial licenses and end up in a database of convicted felons; Good luck finding viable employment if your a convicted felon.
     
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    So, to be a law abiding citizen, one must comply completely with the government.
     
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    When it comes to the laws, yes. If you don't like the laws, work to change them from within.
     
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    Creating 300,000 unemployable citizens would obviously back fire on any state government.

    My suspicion is this law will be queitly ignored until it is convenient and then it will become selectively enforced. People with parking tickets or whatever will find them selves facing extra charges of illegally owning a firearm if someone in the state government does not like them much.

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    Like Washington, Adams, Hancock and others did with british laws..... oh wait a second ......
     
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    What is the supreme law of the land, Connecticut state law or the U.S. Constitution?
     
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    Many of them would find work in fast food and other service industries but the real good paying jobs would be from within their grasp.

    If you give them an excuse then you have no one to blame but yourself.
     
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    I have a vast surprise for you. That's what government's for.

    You could always throw a tea party. But, as far as I'm aware, there is no cost in registering a gun. So the Stamp Duty thing won't work.

    Even if there were to be a cost, there are no King Georges to blame. It's all yours.
     
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    Yes, they still own a gun. But, the Fourth Amendment contains an explicit "right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects" that is also strongly indicative of a constitutional right to privacy. I am not saying gun ownership is necessary for a person to be secure. I am saying we have a right to privacy and the words privacy and secure were synonymous in the time of the founders. The language of the Fourth Amendment shows the amendment is protecting citizens' privacy. Registering guns, dogs, or whatever, would be a violation of this privacy, especially if kept on a database, not to mention if that database would be used to track down gun owners, confiscate their property and arrest them.
     
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    Well, it's not perfect, but at least we don't reek to high Heaven and throw people into incinerators.
     
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    How is gun registration different from car registration or pet registration? According to you, these "invade privacy" too. And what's the problem with knowing who the owners of guns are? If they are irresponsible owners or go round shooting people?
     
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    There are two big violations with this one. One is the right to privacy, which has been discussed quite a bit in this thread.

    Another one is the constitutional prohibition against any ex post facto laws. According to the constitution, you can't make someone a criminal for an action done before a law was passed. These people bought and possessed these firearms before this law existed. As such they can't suddenly be made criminals by this new regulation. The law could be used to force anyone who buys or brings in firearms after the date of its passage to register them, but it can't outlaw the ones before the passage. That is why the Clinton Assault Weapons Ban grandfathered in weapons manufactured before the ban, but that wording is missing in this law.
     
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    I agree.
     
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    Well, for the most part, people aren't facing possible jail time and/or confiscation for not registering their cars or pets. They may face fines, but not confiscation and/or jail time. However, I am also against the government forcing peope to register cars and pets as well. How does registration guarantee who is "going around shooting peope" and who is a responsible gun owner?
     
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    This action is not uncle sam getting his filthy big toe in the door, it’s an outright police state action. I have been heartened recently by pro gun supreme court decisions and other happy pro gun contests being won. Sadly the best way to win and to protect ourselves from the gun grabbers is to join groups like the NRA. There is power in numbers my friends and its now time to stick to our guns…(cautious ~ LOL).

    reva
     
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