3rd Party, T Party, Here's your Chance

Gawd, I've been waiting for such a definition for decades. I believe in a strong central government because it could (but doesn't) protect my LIBERTIES from the tyranny of socialized and centralized and concentrated big money. Iow, who knows what the hell these righties are talking about when they harp on 'liberty'?

 

In today's environment and laws, NO, special interests own the policies and political makers. The politicians would be cutting off their own hand and get nothing accomplished while in office as they get black balled.

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IF every American, is the key, well just the majority. I've been doing that for years. Only a couple of time do I vote major party in prez election. And I just vote opposite a 2 time incumbant.

 

I'll take the bill of rights for $100, Alex.

If you throw in the declaration of independence, that helps clarify the BOR, or at least provides the mission statement.

The progressive left loves to obfuscate & muddy definitions, hoping to distract us from the secret agenda of destroying the constitution & individual liberty. This statist ruse is exposed to thinking americans, & will not be effective.

F*** social issues. F*** right & left. I am talking about human liberty, as described in historical american documents, & attempted for the next 200 years, now under assault from statists who want a socialist nanny state. Make your own revolution, & build your own country, instead of slinking in & hijacking mine.

You can bugger each other all you want. I don't care. Kill all the babies you want, too. Marry goats for all i care. Just keep your cotton picking hands off my constitution. And stay out of the way while some of us roust out some of the rascals who are trampling the very laws that protect us from them.

 

the tea party is really republicans looking for a new name... as the old one has been dirtied

they will never create a t-party, cause they know this

 

your sounding like your pretty far left to me...

gov is here to serv us, not protect us from ourselves.... I think on this we can agree

lets change 'in God we trust' to 'in Freedom we trust'.... and "one Nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all"

get back to the basics.... stop trying to push religion through our government...

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Yes, I meant Libertarians. Thanks for the correction. We certainly do know Liberals and Libertarians are not the same.

 

Far left? In what way? I consider myself a 'classic liberal', but the term has been hijacked by the left to be meaningless, along with almost all descriptive terms. I don't bother with labels, anymore, but look for the issues. For me, the central issue is freedom.. that provided for by the american constitution. If it fails, our freedoms will fail with it. You can look at any of my posts.. i make no appeal to god or any deity, or promote any religious institution. Those are faulty & corrupt, as are any human institutions.

I don't care to wrangle about words, but be straightforward in both speech & meaning. I don't care if we leave out trusting altogether.. but we had better secure our liberties, before the statists swallow them all up.

 

Does the TP's record support this assessment? I'm not aware of them supporting, say, the Libertarian presidential candidates.

http://www.dailyutahchronicle.com/?p=2594754
The political realm is by no means unaccustomed to pandering — it has become commonplace for politicians to scoff at the very idea of keeping their campaign promises. Taglines, slogans and labels have been co-opted to attract an ever wider base of voters. Libertarianism is one such abducted term, having been shanghaied, shaped and distorted by the Republican Party to fit their needs. Most politicians these days calling themselves Libertarian don’t live up to the name.

... It's business as usual even with the TP, it would seem...

 

And voters will need to get comfortable voting for someone who has facial hair instead of the clean shaven candidates.

 

Truth be known, more young millennial's are becoming pro-life. Libertarians aren't necessarily for or against abortion, they just want people to be able to decide and for governments to stay out of the way.
I don't think many people know much about the Libertarians. I believe the more young folks learn about their platform, the more they will like the party. They've just been drowned out by the two bigger parties and the media's focus on the two. I believe the young democrats are losing faith in the Democratic party due to this administrations serious missteps and will look for a serious alternative next election.

 

I means far left from the far right meaning your words did not sound like the words of someone on the right

end the conservatives war on drugs... be a good start, that war and others is ruining America

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Interesting. i'm not trying to 'sound' like anything, but communicate with clarity & passion. Perhaps it is my vocabulary.. i tend to use more words than most, & like colorful descriptions over bland narrative. But that is not a 'leftist' position, imo, but is more in line with libertarian or historical constitutionalist rhetoric.

Anyway, i don't care about drugs, either. You guys can fry your brains all you want.. just don't expect disability or a bailout for your irresponsible behavior. THAT is the american i'm fighting for. Freedom... AND Responsibility... i'm going to toss in truth & JUSTICE, too.

 

With obnoxious crackpots that disgust patriotic Americans with their depraved, hateful nonsense , it is unlikely that any otherwise coherent cause will attract many. Who would wish to associate themselves with such deranged, incoherrent ranting?

 

If "pro-life" means favouring greater State intrusion and control and, consequently, less personal choice, I seriously doubt it.

Whether a libertarian party could succeed in elections is doubtful, but aspects of the ideology could infuse the duopoly. Can libertarians point to any example of their having ever attained governmental power anywhere on earth?

 

With the College Republican National Committee's study having found that most young voters regard the current GOP as ‘closed-minded, racist, rigid, old-fashioned’ , it would be interesting to see a similar appraisal by the College Democrats of America. Just because the nation's demographics favour the Democratic Party does not mean that younger Americans do not have criticisms of the Party.

 

ooo.. faux outrage.. a classic tool of the left. I guess straight talk is offensive, & only duplicitous snark is allowed? hmm?

 

The Socialists need to organize we are for the poor, workers and opposed to the abuses of the Capitalist system and for big government which everyone really wants in the end.

 

Abortion laws need to go to the states where each state has it's own demographics rather than a federal government, one size fits all, law.

As to your question, I believe the more people see just how screwed up both parties are they will want an alternative and the Libertarian party is a viable option, IMO.

 

Your inability to engage in civil discourse is a trait about which you do not attempt to dissemble - at least in the furtive venue of anonymous forums.

If thusly venting brings you comfort, by all means, indulge.

 

Why? Do you see State control over wombs as a means of circumventing the Constitutional rights of Americans? It has not proved such.

Libertarian rule is a fantasy with no extant paradigms in reality, but it will undoubtedly thrive in some minds.

 

Give it a rest, natty.. your pretense at intellectualism is boring.. i know what you are saying, before & now.. & there is still little content.

 

Personal freedoms are guaranteed and protected by the U S Constitution and are not relegated to the whims of individual states.

That was tried with slavery and with the denial of civil rights.

It held up in neither case.

 

I just came across these guys who are trying to fund an alternative, basically... It's like if Apple developed a political sector, haha... I just wonder if enough people are really angry enough.
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/we-the-people--6/x/5409827

 

I don't see it this way. I was a Republican for years until I felt they didn't represent me anymore, since they're no longer Conservative. I'm not sure how more moderate they can get, but they're apparently not moderate enough for tecoyah. I'm a Constitutional Conservative, but not a Libertarian. I wouldn't pledge my loyalty to either party, but I would vote for the most Conservative person running for office.

If you ask me, the country would be far better off if we were all Independent. Party loyalty can be a problem and is. There's no independence in thinking, anymore. It's a hive-mind mentality on both sides of the fence.

 

Where in the TP have you seen that church and state should be integrated? I've never heard this before.