4 Things Anti-Gunners Don't Understand About Ghost Guns

What does that have to do with gun control?

 

Yeah, it does.

Which has f***-all to do with the subject at hand.

Then why do you reject being sensible at every turn? Banning people from having the legitimate right to defend themselves empowers criminals and endangers society and is based in absolutely NOTHING "sensible".

 

There is nothing "sensible" or "common sense" in proposals for ever more gun control laws. Each proposal routinely fails to address the circumstances that brought about the latest push for a new law. Worse than that they typically carry unintended consequences affecting only the peaceful and the law abiding, never the criminal or the insane.

Human problems, especially those involving a large population, are rarely if ever simple. The typical gun control proposal assumes simplicity, assumes it is easy. These assumptions are convenient for the emotional needs of those demanding the new laws but are also the very reason the laws fail to stop the behaviors they were enacted to stop.

Anti-gunners are not alone in this erroneous thinking. Whatever the political faction an issue can always be found where simplicity and ease is presumed and failure assured as a result. An example on the right wing-conservative side is abortion. Which also exists for numerous and complex human reasons.

 

we'd probably spend more time shooting. its too bad that left-wingers want to scape goat our rights because we vote against the creeping crud of collectivism

 

It's in reply to this, "If you own guns while advocating for restrictions upon others being able to, that is the ultimate definition of hypocrisy, and obliterates your credibility."

So I own a car and I wish to put restrictions on others, ie not to drive F1 cars on the road. So according to the poster, I'm a hypocrite with no credibility.

In fact, you are restricted to drive before you obtain a licence. You are restricted to sell alcohol before obtaining a licence. You are restricted in hundreds of areas...... And you comply. Why are restrictions/regulations/laws in place for the sale of food, drink, to drive etc..

What undermines these safety guards is poor enforcement by authorities.

And this gun mentality boils down to one thing, the 2a. That's why you all scream, "It's my God given right to have a gun with no regulation". You won't see how bizarre that sounds and looks unless you look in from the majority of outside countries.

 

Are such motor vehicles any less safe than other motor vehicles, that would justify them being prohibited on public roads?

 

We don't all scream what you claim we scream. That's a straw man. There are only three countries in the world with the Constitutionally protected individual right to keep and bear arms. Comparisons of our laws to countries with such are worthless.

 

Ok then, hand your guns in, scrap the 2a and then you can apply for a certificate to own shotguns and restricted sized calibre rifles.

 

There are certain gun types/calibre that could be classed as the F1 analogy.

 

No. That's a pretty far leap from "no restriction" to accepting complete government control. How about working inside the rules if the US Constitution? If all you have to offer is scrapping the Constitution, then your participation here is moot until such happens. Find a recent red / blue map of the states. Start counting red states. Stop when you get to 13.

 

In what way? Can an F1 car not be driven on the road safely? All of the gun types/calibers are used safely every day. You know what's been proven to be especially dangerous in the wrong hands? 19 tonne cargo trucks.

 

Trucks are regulated differently to cars. Speed limiters and max driving hours. Authorities will disagree with you that it's safe to drive a F1 car on public roads.

 

Ok then, hand your guns in and then you can apply for a certificate to own shotguns and restricted sized calibre rifles.

You surprised me, usually it's, "Come and try to take my guns" reply from Americans.

 

You're still way off the mark with solutions here. This isn't the UK, where not a single citizen can be trusted to own a handgun. If you're going to keep proposing unconstitutional, ineffective and unenforceable solutions then you aren't going to have much fun here.

 

What's your solution? How do you prevent/reduce massacres? How do you prevent/reduce armed robberies? How would you prevent/reduce burglars having a gun?

 

1. Allow individual access to NICS so that private sales can utilize the background check process. Sen Coburn sponsored a bill that would be very effective for this.
2. Exempt CCW and LEO from background checks.
3. Arrest those who commit felonies while attempting to get guns. In 2010, 72,000 applicants were denied permission to purchase a firearm via the NICS and state systems. 34,000 of these were denied for previous felony convictions. Only 10 (10!) were convicted. We still have tens of thousands of people who committed a felony by lying on the Form 4473 and have a violent past free to find guns through illegal means. Given that a violent felon is looking for a gun, how many violent crimes could be prevented by arresting and incarcerating these felons? https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/bjs/grants/239272.pdf
4. Focus on the gun dealers and sellers who sell large amounts of guns to ineligible buyers. If the Brady Campaign knows who they are, then ATF knows who the major sellers are.
5. Mandatory sentences for those who use guns in acts of criminal violence. Stop plea bargaining away gun crimes. http://chicagoreporter.com/thousand...-being-dismissed-cook-county-criminal-courts/
6. Extend the legal possession geographies for CCW holders.
7. Go arrest the criminals who have guns illegally now - don't wait for them to commit a crime.
8. Fully prosecute and punish straw purchasers. http://www.omaha.com/news/crime/pol...cle_dcd60ace-8716-5651-9125-cb297998694e.html

 

What is this obsession with serial numbers? Of all of my guns, only one has a serial number remotely traceable to me, and even that would require that A: I committed a crime with it (which I wouldn't), B: I left the weapon at the scene of the crime (which I wouldn't), C: They can somehow manage to make the tenuous connection between me and that gun, and D: That by the time all of the above occurred, the weapon was still in my possession. Serial numbers can be helpful with some things, solving crimes really isn't one of them.

And even all of that requires that I used the one gun even remotely traceable to me via SN.

 

They're already being reduced, and have been since the early 90's. In most categories, including homicide, to at or very close to all time lows since we started keeping track of such things. Nobody really knows why. There are a few viable theories, but I'm of the opinion that nobody will ever REALLY know why. So the "problem" is already solving itself, this despite the fact that during that time period literally tens of millions of new firearms have been purchased by the American public. Latest estimate I've seen is ~400,000,000.

 

What's the problem with having F1 cars on the road? Throw some brake lights and turn signals on them, and (probably) some emission controls, and as long as the driver isn't driving like he is actually IN an F1 race, and I don't see an issue. See, it's about the driver, not the car. Just because a car can do 200 mph (and I used to own one that could) doesn't mean it's going to be abused.

 

Try actually answering the question as it was presented to yourself, rather than substituting it for an entirely different question.

Once more, are such motor vehicles any less safe than other motor vehicles, that would justify them being prohibited on public roads?

 

The answer to the questions is quite simple. It cannot be done. So long as individuals who cannot be trusted with firearms are allowed to roam freely in society in the united states, there is no way, none whatsoever, of ever preventing even one of them from acquiring a firearm. It is a complete and total physical impossibility.

 

Why do you expect an honest discussion?

 

What other choice is there to be had?

 

The discussion you're having now...

 

You can't see the problem driving a F1 car on public roads, oh dear.