57% of Democrats View Socialism Positively

This not true at all. ... and certainly not true when used in context such as the claim that taxes are a form of wealth redistribution.

This is way more clear and not as easily misunderstood as using terms like "Marxism" or "Socialism"

 

True. They believe in redistributing just enough wealth to secure the votes of certain demographics.

 

Rich dems like pelosi or practically any democrat member of the senate are not willing to give up their fortunes for the masses

But the elites in the old soviet union had access to luxury that the people did get

So progressives always find a way around their own rules

 

If you're going to attach labels to yourself don't cry when people dispute them. Like I said, there's nothing conservative, pro-free market and constitution-loving about "universal health care", which is why pro-free market, constitution-loving conservatives oppose it.

I'm not spending more and I've never gotten less as far as the quality and range of treatment I've sought and obtained.

You want to spend more on something? Add a massive layer of government bureaucracy and inefficiency on top of it.

Were you just complaining about name-calling?

Clearly, you're projecting. I'm not the one advocating more government involvement and spending in our HC system - you are. As for the waste and inefficiency we're already experiencing with the government, I'm all for getting rid of that instead of asking for more of it.

 

So what do you find in that or in any of their explanations/answers that you think conflict with what I've said?

 

I know I've accomplished at least one positive thing today. I thank you for that.

 

A+ for concision.

By the way, have I ever told you that you have a flowery way with words?

 

57% of Democrats View Socialism Positively
Lies work well over time if they are repeated often enough.

 

Ok, I think I may now see the real point of conflict here. I am interested not so much in focusing on complaining about details like "wealth redistribution" except to the extent that such discussion aims at and supports my main focus on capitalism as the underlying problem. Some would complain about taxation as though we should petition government to do our will. I reject that and recommend seeing clearly that capitalism is the problem as it creates increasingly destructive crises.

 

Such as? Give me the 3-4 main pillars of Marixism. We already have one.

 

As well as iPhones and self-driving cars (cars at all, for that matter) and medical breakthroughs.

 

That's regulated capitalism. All good things in moderation. Capitalism has its place and function, and socialism has its place and function. The two work great together in the right balance.

 

Red also favors restributing wealth from the worker to the various Oligopolies and international financiers that run this nation.

 

Correct - this has nothing to do with the discussion however.

 

And the bigger the lie the more likely people will believe it.

Similarly:



Free stuff for everyone!

 

Problem is capitalism has gone global and beyond the reach of any single government, not that it can't buy most of them.

 

Growing pains, I suppose, as economies go global along with mass communication and rapid travel.

 

Glad you agree with me. Thanks.

 

I already explained to you why a pro free market "fiscal conservative" should favor universal healthcare.

Someone who is fiscally conservative is someone who wants less Gov't spending. Universal Healthcare would be cheaper than our current system and provide more. This does not mean one likes this inefficient bloated Gov't bureaucracy - I would prefer to pay no taxes but, that is not going to happen - It is about choosing something that is less expensive than what we currently have.

You are in favor of something that is more expensive - more Gov't spending.

 

I agree that wealth redistribution from the worker to the Oligopolies and International Financiers is a problem. Tax law and Regulations which favor the Oligopolies and bastardize fair and free markets is just another form of wealth redistribution which decreases wage competition reducing the worker to an indentured servant.

What I do not favor is some system where the State/Collective owns everything - there is no way to accomplish this without totalitarianism and we know where that leads.

 

I can speak with 100% certainty, loads of NYers retire in Sotuh FL. I lived 1/2 my life in Jersey and my adult life in FL. Yes. Many come down here and take their shotty driving skills with them

 

Taxes. FL does not have a personal income tax.

NY income tax: 6.65% up to $321k
CA income tax: 8.53% effective up to $321k; $268k to $321k is taxed at 10.3%

Thus, liberal policies, both in terms of taxation and the spending that drives it.

 

That is why I so oppose the Communist Party approach of violent take-over of government. Historically it has resulted in disaster and failure.

But if we start out with worker co-ops and build as we can, we can solve problems as they arise and focus on democratic solutions, thus avoiding what you're referring to. A state machine owning everything is exactly what this approach will avoid. And if workers are actually in charge, they will not opt for anything resembling indentured servitude. And it workers are not in charge, it is not socialism, -by definition. And the approach of building co-ops will prevent such a risk of loss of control, too.

 

Once they get out of college, get a job and take a gander of how many hours they had to work to support others attitudes should change.