6% number is not debunked

I avoid people like you at every opportunity, and always have.

 

And that is greatly appreciated

 

edit delete - someone just said what I posted !

 

Supreme court is not something we can rely on, when it comes to issue of human rights.
Also it is your interpretation of the Supreme Court decision, not real decision.
Slight increase of mortality is not something that represent emergency.
We are at the increased mortality trend due to population ageing, The COVID-19 represent about 5% of increased mortality.
It does not represent emergency at all.
https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/death-rate

E.g. from 2013 to 2014 rate of mortality increase was from 0.90 to 1.29 and no one suspended human rights at that point

 

Wait

coming up on a quarter million dead is not a “slight increase”

 

But only 6% is truly caused by COVID-19. ~ 250000 * 0.06 ~ 15000
and total is about 10% increase in mortality, that is not something unusual if you look at the chart
https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/death-rate

So human rights were suspended at the whim of the authorities with no real reason.

 

We've shown that not to be true but here you are "misrepresenting" it yet again

 

What is not true?
I agree that we have access deaths, I did not look at the fine print initially .
But CDC has reported that only 6% is caused by COVID-19 and it is true.

Even with current excess death does not differ much from some of the previous years.
Human rights were suspended for no scientific reason.

 

291,000 excess deaths, using your calculations, above your selected worst year is not "does not differ much"

 

So CDC is not telling the truth?

 

As far as that report goes, yes. You are misrepresenting what it says

 

That is false. The number of total deaths remains about the same as last year because most people stayed home during the lockdowns. Hence, without COVID-19 in the picture, those same people who died of COVID-19 this year would have statistically died from something else (car accidents, plane crash, homicide, heart attacks, influenza, etc.)

 

Sorry, facts don't care about your feelings.

The data has already been posted on this thread. Starting in March/April there was a spike in deaths in the US that was already over 200,000 before the start of August. These are deaths over and above numbers for the same time last year and several previous years. Feel free to try to explain that without COVID, but verfiable ffacts are required. If you are right about lower deaths from other causes (and minus sources I'm not inclined to accept anything you say) that means COVID deaths are even higher than the official figure.

 

So you’re admitting that you are not using verifiable facts to support your statement. That’s the trouble with two-way streets; the argument goes both ways. Your “verifiable facts” would show the number of deaths with and without COVID-19.

Regardless, your above statement was incorrect right from the start anyway

No need to pick apart your false argument any further than here:

https://www.law.com/texaslawyer/202...th-rate-is-still-below-average-cdc-412-96700/

 

I have posted the CDC excess death figures elsewhere in the thread. They go past April. They are verifiable with just a click and they provide all the data anyone requires to understand the scale of this epidemic.

 

How can you possibly rely on such unreliable data? Do you even have any idea what you are talking about?

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/07/about-30-covid-deaths-may-not-be-classified-such

 

Those are REAL decisions and your NAYSAYING does not alter REALITY one iota!

https://www.rpc.senate.gov/policy-papers/legal-precedents-for-epidemic-response

 

If you have a problem with the CDC excess death figures take it up with them. If you have some evidence that they are dramaticallu over counting the number of deaths in America this year (all deaths) then by all means present it. Oh, and I do appreciate you posting a source that supports my point - that the official COVID figure is almost certainly an undercount.

 

You say “almost certainly” with so much conviction. So my source supports your point that you believe so readily upon unconfirmed and incomplete data.

 

This was boring several posts ago.

You have not presented any evidence to support the contention that this thread is based on and you have not provided a non-COVID related reason for such a high number of excess deaths (even higher than the official COVID count) during the period when COVID has been at its height.

The official death count doesn't need to be low for me to be right, so I don't much care what you think of my informed speculation that it might be higher. If you have evidence that the excess death figures are wrong by anything remotely close to the official figure then present it. If you have an explanation for those excess deaths that does not involve COVID then present it. Thus far you have done neither.

Until you or someone else can credibly explain a number of excess deaths that is something like 250,000 more than usual at the same time as COVID without COVID being the cause then have at it. No one here has even tried because they know that they can't. They just pretend the data doesn't exist. COVID has killed at least 220,000 Americans. If you want to pretend otherwise then I'll let you waste someone else's time explaining your fantasy. You have wasted far more of mine then I should have let you.

 

The chart I am referring to tells us that increase in over 1.2% in the death rate is not something unusual.
https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/death-rate

 

We have to count all deaths this year. CDC chart is not really correct, because they do not count January.of 2020
I don't know whether it is done for political purpose or just scare general public.
It could be that in January number of death was lower then expected,
I think it was about 57000 per week, i.e. 57,000 * 3 = 171000
So total cases should be
(55000 * 3) + 2217634 + (55084 * 12) = 3043642

So if we divide population of USA
https://countrymeters.info/en/United_States_of_America_(USA)
By 3043642
1000 / (334851702 / 3043642)
we get ~ 9.089 per 1000

And we have 2.5 months to grow population.

 

The issue is that actions were absolutely unreasonable.
There was nothing that was extraordinary
But sure thank you for admitting that United States is not a Democracy but simple plain dictatorship .

Is not that simple to turn democracy into dictatorship by just presenting statistical lie?

 

Would like to try a do-over of the above post so that your point, whatever it might be, comes across clearly?

 

6% attributed to COVID-19 sounds reasonable.
The mortality jump is about 1.3% comparing to 2019.
We are on the mortality uptrend due to population ageing and probably bad health care.
https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/death-rate
i.e. 1.1 - 1.3% increase is normal.