62% of Americans want Confederate statues to remain

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  1. Mr_Truth

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    Correction: the majority was 4+ million in favor of Hillary
     
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    Had Taney only made the correct decision in that case, there likely would not have been a civil war. His ruling was the most criticized in world history. See Don Fehrenbacher's Slavery, Law, & Politics ~ The Dred Scott Case in Historical Perspective.
     
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    Actually Taney's decision was 100% in accordance with the Constitution. They could have written an opinion within a minute of ending closing arguments.
     
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    Ever wonder how history repeats itself? Now it appears as though the left are the confederates and are rising up against the duly elected president and his government. Hysteria bubble at it's worse.
     
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    Yes it was the point by injecting Hitler at all.
     
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    Just more leftist 1984 idiocy.
     
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    The South did not commit treason, they suceeded from the Union which they believed they could do under the Constitution. At tbe time the States FAR outweighed thr Feseral Government in power and influence. You wete a citizen of your state first and then the federal governem t. They did not try to overthrow the United States they tried to leave it. THEN they were invaded in an attempt by Lincoln to keep those SLAVE states IN the Union WITH their slavery intact along with the three Union slave states that did not leave the Union. The memorials are not to celebrate the Confederacy but to honor those who gave thier lives and limbs defending their states and homes from invasion.
    This entire debate and destruction and dishonor of those so memorialized is based on an ignkrance of history which is barely taught in schools anymore.
     
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    I don't how this large scale assault on historical monuments got past so many people and legalized by some politicians, probably without even having a vote, but I am not going to remain neutral about it any more.
     
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    So because they lost the war they were less of a traitor ?

    There is no "simple" here IMHO
    By that standard we should be building the same statues to Timothy McVeigh ?
     
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    and i am one of them. we just deny the liberal logic that says a statue to robert e lee concludes we like slavery.
     
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    Unfortunately, as a layman you would not be able to understand Fehrenbacher's book which just tore apart Taney's ruling. As an example, Taney said blacks had no right to even petition a court. He failed miserably in this regard as blacks petitioned the courts for freedom from slavery going all the way back to the 1650s.


    Perhaps you may wish to read Lerome Bennett's Before the Mayflower:


    https://themrkleingrapevine.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/before-the-mayflower-1-3.pdf


    This excellent book presents cases which prove that blacks had such access contrary to Taney's lies.
     
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    LOL, history does repeat. The libs were accusing the tea party of "rising up" now its the other way around. Nobody is rebelling.
     
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    They were not traitors because their primary allegiance was to their State, not the Federals.
    That's how it was in the early mid 19th Century.
    Robert E. Lee disagreed with his State of Virginia leaving the Union but,
    remained loyal to his State.
    That was honor. Not traitorous.

    Before you compose a reply, would you try think on the loyalty people felt to their State then.
    Gracias

    Stop using a 21st Century lens to look at the 19th Century.
     
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    I don't know, it looks like the left is rebelling against Trump.
     
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    Were not "The bunch of states of America"

    Is the name UNITED States lost on you ?
     
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    Before The War Between the States - These United States of America.
    After The War Between the States - The United States of America.

    States, like France or England in a Federation. "These".

    Please try a lens of those times. Gracias
     
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    Because he colluded with Russia to steal the election from Hillary.
     
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    So criticizing and not agreeing with the president is a "rebellion?" North Korea agrees with you on that.
     
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    No but trying to get him removed could be considered a rebellion, just depends how far they take it.
     
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    You have evidence of that?
     
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    Technically the very idea of free blacks was contrary to the language of the Constitution. Blacks had no rights under the Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union or under the Constitution of the United States or under any State constitution. So it would have been perfectly constitutional to have kept them all in slavery as long as they were in the confines of the United States. Naturally no one wanted to follow the Constitution. Even the Southerners allowed black slave owners to exist in the South instead of putting the black slave owners into slavery themselves. But it would have been constitutional if they had done so.
     
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    You should learn some American history. Real Americans have always opposed the symbols of the traitors. Read the New York Times archives sometimes. You might have to subscribe to read the entire articles but you can read the headlines and the first couple of sentences for free. In any case you will learn some facts.
     
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    The Don peed on Barry and Michelle's bed when they were in it with whores.
     
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    Too bad the 4 million didn't live in the right States where they could have made a difference. But they didn't so Lying Crooked Hillarly lost.
     
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    Figured you had no evidence.
     

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