9/11 - The Legal Initiative

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    Breaking News: 9/11 Coronavirus Coverup!

    the saga continues ...
     
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    The 9/11 coverup has been going on since prior to 9/11/01 and to this day. We have yet to read 1 single article in any MSM outlet about either the Hulsey report or the current 9/11 lawsuits, not to mention that there is still a mountain of classified documents and other information that has yet to be publicly released. And not to mention that the 9/11 Commission Report and the NIST reports are all frauds designed to coverup the 9/11 crime. So your phony post is just that. But thanks for prompting me to post real 9/11 coverup FACTS. They need to be repeated regularly.
     
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    Clearly it's not a cover-up in the traditional sense. It is rather, like others before it, a false flag, blaming China for what is most likely a US operation, bio warfare combined with economic warfare, what the generals might call "hybrid warfare."
     
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    anything to back your claim up or is this just another of your paranoid conspiracies? ...

    if anything I would suspect NK with their Christmas present ...
     
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    do you have any idea of how many people comprise the MSM? ... and not one has unearthed the "troof" about 9/11? ... you should write that Pulitzer Prize book Bobby ...
     
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    Do you have any idea how many people (or entities) or who controls the MSM? Right, you have no clue. Does it occur to you why you don't see one single article in the MSM about the legal actions underway or the research and subsequent report conducted by Hulsey's team? Right, you don't care at all, nor do you care one iota about 9/11 because as you claimed posting here is just a hobby for you.

    Perhaps no one knows the entire truth about 9/11 (other than the perpetrators) but most intelligent people know most of the LIES that you believe are truth about the 9/11. And that's why no one can know the truth about 9/11 because of all the coverups, lies and disinformation. And that's also why there are at least 3 legal actions currently in effect, to try to uncover as much of the truth as possible about 9/11. Only absolutely hopeless fools believe the lies peddled by the US government about 9/11 are truth, regardless that they've been exposed as lies by experts in intricate detail and in numerous ways.
     
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    The good news is that the Mandamus action can proceed electronically.

    Historic Battle Brewing in NYC over Lawyers’ Committee Grand Jury Petition


    Today in New York City a legal battle for the integrity of the Grand Jury process and the First Amendment Right to Petition for Redress is being waged.

    On Friday night March 20, 2020 Lawyers' Committee for 9/11 Inquiry Litigation Director, Mick Harrison, and his co-counsel, Lawyers' Committee Board Director John O'Kelly, filed an historic 4 count First Amended Complaint in the Southern District of New York against the United States Attorney for the Southern District, Geoffrey Berman, the Department of Justice, and the United States Attorney General, William Barr, demanding relief from the Federal Courts concerning the Petition from the Lawyers’ Committee to the United States Attorney to present to a Grand Jury evidence of federal crimes involving the use of explosive and incendiaries at the World Trade Center on 9/11. To date, 19 years after the fact no Grand Jury criminal investigation concerning the destruction of the World Trade Center Towers on 9/11 has been convened. (See the First Amended Complaint)

    The Lawyers' Committee requests that the United States Attorney Geoffrey Berman be judicially compelled either to provide some indication that he is acting in good faith and presenting the evidence previously given to him by the Lawyers' Committee in 2018 to the Grand Jury, or, if he is not presenting the evidence, for an Order from the Judge instructing him to perform his mandatory duty to present to a Grand Jury the evidence of explosives and incendiaries involved in the destruction of the World Trade Center Towers previously given to him in the Lawyers’ Committee Petition.

    United States Attorney Berman had written to the Lawyers' Committee on November 7, 2018 stating that he had read and reviewed the submissions given to him by the Lawyers' Committee and that he would comply with the law 18 USC 3332 regarding the submissions. The Lawyer's Committee has no way of knowing whether he is complying and, therefore, is requesting that the Federal Court Judge order the United States Attorney to comply with the law.

    In addition to the Lawyers' Committee for 9/11 Inquiry, co-plaintiffs included are: Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth and Richard Gage, Jeanne Evans who lost her brother, Nassau County, Franklin Square-Munson Fire Commissioner Christopher Gioia, Diana Hetzel who lost her husband, Bob Mcilvaine who lost his son, and NYC Fire Chief Michael J. O'Kelly. (See the declarations)

    The Defendants previously claimed through Court filings that the Plaintiff's Administrative Procedure Act and Federal Mandamus statute suit to compel a Grand Jury presentation should be dismissed for lack of standing. The Lawyers' Committee exercised their right to amend the Complaint to add additional plaintiffs and also added an additional count based on a Constitutional argument related to the First Amendment's People's Right to Petition the Government for Redress of Grievances.

    The United States Attorney has fourteen days to respond to the First Amended Complaint.


    https://www.ae911truth.org/news/654...yc-over-lawyers-committee-grand-jury-petition

    Note, in my next post I will paste the text of the additional count (see bolded) from the amended complaint because it is a crucial protected right explicitly stated in the First Amendment.
     
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    COUNT II: VIOLATION BY DEFENDANTS OF THE PLAINTIFFS’ FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT TO PETITION FOR REDRESS, AND REQUEST FOR INJUNCTIVE RELIEF

    84. All of the foregoing paragraphs are incorporated herein by reference.

    85. Plaintiffs have a right under the First Amendment not only to petition the Court for redress and to petition the DOJ for redress, but also to petition a federal grand jury for redress. The fact that federal procedural law currently states that citizens should not communicate their information regarding federal crimes directly to a grand jury, but rather effect such communications through a United States Attorney, does not alter or eliminate Plaintiffs’ constitutional right under the First Amendment to petition a federal grand jury for redress.

    86. Plaintiffs have exercised their First Amendment right, or at least attempted to exercise this right, to petition a federal grand jury to investigate 9/11 related federal crimes resulting in the murder of approximately 6,000 citizens (approximately 3,000 on 9/11 and approximately 3,000 more after 9/11 as a result of injuries and illness incurred on 9/11 and the aftermath). Plaintiffs did this by submitting their Amended Petition and the evidence referenced herein (see Exhibit 8 hereto) to the U.S. Attorney, not only as a petition for redress to DOJ, but also as a petition for redress under the First Amendment to the grand jury itself, as a government entity distinct from the DOJ.

    87. Although the U.S. Attorney provided a letter to the Lawyers’ Committee representing that he would comply with 18 U.S.C. § 3332(a) in regard to the Lawyers’ Committee’s petition submissions, the U.S. Attorney has since refused to disclose any information at all to the Lawyers’ Committee that would confirm that the U.S. Attorney has in fact relayed the Lawyers’ Committee’s Amended Petition and evidence to a federal grand jury.

    88. Plaintiffs can only infer from this complete refusal by the U.S. Attorney to disclose even the minimum information needed to show Plaintiffs that their Amended Petition was relayed to any of the grand juries that have been empaneled at the time of the Lawyers’ Committee’s submissions or since, that the U.S. Attorney has failed to submit the Lawyers’ Committee’s Amended Petition to any grand jury.

    89. Such a failure of the U.S. Attorney constitutes not only a failure to perform the mandatory duties imposed on the U.S. Attorney by 18 U.S.C. § 3332(a), but also constitutes a violation of Plaintiffs’ First Amendment Right to Petition (the grand jury) for Redress. The Plaintiffs, and all citizens, may, or may not, have a right under law to get an answer from the Grand Jury under the First Amendment, but Plaintiffs like all citizens certainly have the right to have their petition for redress delivered to the government entity from which they seek redress.

    90. Whether or not the Congress may require citizens, consistent with the First Amendment, to submit their communications to a grand jury only through a U.S. Attorney, at a minimum it should be clear that neither the Congress nor the U.S. Attorney may obstruct the delivery of a citizen petition to a grand jury. The U.S. Attorney has here, on information and belief, in light of the U.S. Attorney’s silence on the matter and continuing exclusive control over the grand jury records and process to date, obstructed Plaintiffs’ right to petition the grand jury for redress in violation of the First Amendment.

    91. Plaintiffs respectfully request injunctive relief from the Court to end this obstruction and to require the U.S. Attorney to honor the Plaintiffs’ rights to petition the grand jury (through the U.S. Attorney pursuant to 18 U.S.C. § 3332(a)).

    Note: None of the above constitutes infringement of any copyright law in violation of the rules of this forum as it is public record. Anyone with a Pacer account can access all the documents available that are filed in the Southern District of New York or any federal venue.
     
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    Thanks Bob.

    I hate to be cynical in these cynical times, but I can't help it.

    How this petition plays out, how it is resolved, has the potential to demonstrate without a doubt that ALL branches of the federal government are and have been complicit in the cover-up of the crimes committed regarding 911.
     
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    I'm with you on that.

    They already are complicit, all 3 and their puppet MSM.

    "And one of the reasons why we still continued to fight with... for the Commission, even as we knew it was a farce, is we wanted their words, their lies down on paper. We wanted to make them go through at least this exercise. And even if it came down to the annals of history, that the truth will come out, that was part of our purpose." - Patty Casazza

    The same thing holds true for the legal initiative. The members of the Lawyers' Committee had stated from the onset that they have no confidence that the phony judiciary will act in good faith and genuinely follow through with these legal actions. They fully expected that they would be dismissed on false pretenses in order to avoid discovery. The exercise is meant above all else to enter the 9/11 evidence that contradicts the official narrative into the legal record permanently to expose the scam for what it is.
     
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    The PHONY Motion to Dismiss for Lack of Standing.

    First Amendment (in part): Congress shall make no law ... abridging the ... right of the people ... to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    UNITED STATES ATTORNEY FILES MOTION TO DISMISS EXPLOSIVE EVIDENCE IN THE BALANCE

    Skipping ...

    Defendant’s interpretation of the law, however, laid out in his motion is that the Plaintiffs do not have standing as private citizens and have no legally recognized interest that would give them standing to seek the presentation to a federal grand jury of evidence that could lead to the criminal prosecution of others, Linda R.S., 410 U.S. at 619; and even if they did, Defendants cites cases which give them absolute discretion to refuse presentation, “This Court has recognized several occasions over many years that an agency’s decision not to prosecute or enforce whether through civil or criminal process, is a decision generally committed to an agency’s absolute discretion.” United States v. White, 972 F. 2d 16, 18 (2d Cir. 1992).

    The evidence that Mr. Berman is petitioned by the Lawyers’ Committee to submit to the Grand Jury has never been presented by the United States Attorney to a Grand Jury, but is dispositive of bombs and incendiaries used in the destruction of the World Trade Center Towers and the murder of 2,700 individuals. This evidence was completely omitted from the 9/11 Review Commission investigation and the “official” story. The evidence can be viewed HERE.


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    Defendants argue that plaintiffs have not suffered any cognizable injury. They, nevertheless, state that even if the plaintiffs had a special interest in the investigation of the incidents surrounding 9/11, such an interest is insufficient to confer standing.

    Plaintiffs assert in their First Amended Complaint that the United States Attorney’s failure to present their Petition to a Grand Jury is not only a failure of him to perform his mandatory duties under 18 U.S.C. 3332 (a,) but is also a violation of the Plaintiffs Constitutional Right to Petition for redress and have their evidence considered by a Grand Jury.

    Defendants further argue that the Plaintiffs are not entitled to any Grand Jury records, substantive or ministerial, even for a small indication of good faith to the Plaintiffs that the Grand Jury process is moving forward, because Plaintiffs have not shown a particularized need. A question looms whether the actions of the United States Attorneys Office are obstructive and being done in bad faith.


    https://www.lawyerscommitteefor9-11...eats-up-fire-fighters-and-families-join-suit/

    For me there is no question. US Attorney Geoffrey Berman sent a letter claiming he will comply with the Grand Jury Petition filed by the plaintiffs. More than one year later the plaintiffs are demanding that a simple question be answered by the US Attorney, has the evidence been presented to a Grand Jury or not? So instead of providing a simple yes or no answer, he is fighting tooth and nail through the courts not to have to answer that question. Is that bad faith? Any fool with half a brain can see this is clearly obstruction of justice. Anyone can see through this that the evidence has NEVER been presented to a Grand Jury despite Berman's letter. The real question here is what personal stake does Geoffrey Berman have in obstructing a Grand Jury investigation into 9/11 in the face of the overwhelming (dispositive) evidence that the official investigation failed to properly investigate by deliberately failing to investigate for controlled demolition? What personal stake does Geoffrey Berman have in not wanting to have 9/11 properly investigated and to have the REAL criminals brought to justice?

    It's also very clear to me that the "lack of standing" defense being used by the US government (namely Geoffrey Berman) has no basis whatsoever in light of the First Amendment.

    "Defendants argue that plaintiffs have not suffered any cognizable injury. They, nevertheless, state that even if the plaintiffs had a special interest in the investigation of the incidents surrounding 9/11, such an interest is insufficient to confer standing."

    Several of the plaintiffs lost loved ones on 9/11. We as Americans, not to mention the rest of the world, especially those in the Middle East, have all suffered severe and lasting injury in many ways as a result of the events of 9/11. This isn't even questionable. Even SCOTUS agrees that:

    “The very essence of civil liberty certainly consists in the right of every individual to claim the protection of the laws whenever he receives an injury. One of the first duties of government is to afford that protection.” Marbury v Madison 5 US 137 (1803)

    I'm guessing the corrupt courts will rule in favor of the Defendants and this case will be appealed.
     
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    The judiciary is as corrupt as the other 2 branches. It has been demonstrated many times.
     
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    Ok but what is Berman's personal stake in obstructing justice? Or, who or what entity is preventing Berman from presenting the overwhelming evidence to a Grand Jury? This is obviously not a matter of some legal dispute, it's clearly a matter of preventing any legitimate investigation into 9/11 because they KNOW the official story is a scam designed to protect the REAL criminals who perpetrated this massive crime that includes the murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent people.
     
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    My guess is that Berman has been instructed to make this go away.

    My guess is that the same perps (at the highest levels) who brought us 911 have now brought us Covid.
     
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    Or threatened rather than "instructed". Let's face it, those who were responsible for 9/11 will do whatever they need to do to cover it up. If 3,000 lives don't matter, one more (or more) isn't going to make any difference to them.

    Except the virus doesn't care who you are so if that were true they can get it themselves. My wife thinks Trump schemed (with others) to do it and was given the vaccine they already developed before they unleashed it. She points to the fact that he doesn't have it (nor does anyone in his family) despite having been with people who eventually got it, including at a huge party at Mar-a-Lago where a few came down with the virus.

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-mar-a-lago-coronavirus_n_5e6fa9b9c5b6125e095b0ea9

    Anything is possible.
     
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    It is not as far fetched as some may think. You are on to something. The government needs the Corona scare in order to pass legislation (I discussed in the gun forum) and this does give a pretext for Martial Law.

    Any reasonable person realizes that you could be tested for the Corona virus and have your results in 15 minutes. A simple Executive Order requiring all facilities that can test for the Corona virus, do so. Hospitals, medical centers, even those places where you go for pre-employment screening that do drug tests could be recruited. If you test negative, you get a work certificate and go back to work. If you test positive, you go into quarantine. Everyone who tests negative would be retested in 45 to 60 days later for a final sign - off. Everybody could have been tested in under two weeks.

    There is some dirty dealing going on. Doctors and nurses claim that they aren't being issued PPE, so if they think it's as bad as they're claiming, how come they don't buy their own stuff for the moment and duke it out as they go along? I found N95 masks on the Internet and got 8 of them for $25. You're telling me that nurses (even LPNs) making $40 an hour cannot afford their own $3 mask each day? I'd better stop before I go into a rant.
     
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    Yes, anything is possible, and slowly facts are becoming known that show research in modifying the corona virus began in North Carolina in 2015 before Trump declared.

    Like 911, as time passes the official narrative gets weaker and weaker.
     
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    Do you have any links about the above?
     
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    Suppression of 9/11 facts and research, everywhere the Lawyers' Committee goes.

     
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    I'm betting no ...
     
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    Barr, Grenell block 9/11 families access to evidence with broad, ‘unprecedented’ claims of secrecy

    U.S. Attorney General William Barr and acting Director of National Intelligence Richard Grenell broadly invoked the state secrets privilege this week to block 9/11 survivors and family members from obtaining crucial evidence to support their multi-billion dollar damages lawsuit against Saudi Arabia.

    In sworn public declarations filed in federal court in New York, the nation’s top law enforcement official and the overseer of the U.S. intelligence community said their formal assertions of the state secrets privilege were necessary to “protect the national security interests of the United States.”


    TRANSLATION: The US government has been doing everything it can over the last 3 administrations and probably beyond to protect the REAL 9/11 criminals who most likely involve elements within the US government. In fact, those who actively work to coverup 9/11 ARE complicit criminals themselves even if they have not had direct involvement.

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    https://911truth.org/barr-grenell-b...e-with-broad-unprecedented-claims-of-secrecy/
     
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    The government protects its secrets. Nothing new under the sun.
     
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    Watergate was a secret but two dogged reporters, Woodward and Bernstein found someone willing to talk ... Deep Throat, that brought the walls crashing down ... I guess there are no good investigative reporters anymore ...
     

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