9/11 - The Legal Initiative

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    You're absolutely right for a change troll. My apologies for forgetting about those who are not architects and engineers. So the actual count as of this post of those who demand a legitimate investigation into 9/11 is at a very minimum:

    3,076 architects and engineers and 22,696 other members.

    https://www.ae911truth.org/

    There are of course an unknown number of others who are not members of AE911T who also demand a legitimate investigation into 9/11. None of these people believe holding the US government accountable for a legitimate investigation into 9/11 is "stupid". Furthermore, the founders believed that holding the US government accountable at all times for any reason was such an important right that they made sure it was protected by the First Amendment:

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

    I personally believe that failing to hold the US government accountable at all times is extremely dangerous to preserving liberty.
     
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    According to Mindy Kleinberg - 9/11 family member and "Jersey Girl":



    and I thoroughly agree. Of course it's illogical to believe that these and many, many other convenient coincidences that all worked so well to help facilitate 9/11 were merely coincidences. There are far too many and in a usual legal setting, these are more than enough reasons to warrant a federal grand jury investigation even if all the reasons listed in this thread so far didn't exist.

    But then there are many other reasons as well. The sheer volume of circumstantial evidence that warrants a grand jury investigation is breathtaking.

    9/11 Promotions and Failures: Cui Bono?

    The 9/11 official story is a tale of outlandish incompetence. We are led to believe that Al Qaeda successfully evaded a multi-billion-dollar defense establishment including NORAD, standard FAA intercept procedures, US airbases,[1] the FBI, the CIA, the NSA, international intelligence agencies and more, without any significant or effective resistance. While any serious investigation of the 9/11 attacks was blocked by President Bush and Dick Cheney for more than a year,[2] a theory of systematic and incredible incompetence emerged: Al Qaeda got “lucky”. Mindy Kleinberg, of the 9/11 Family Steering Committee in an opening address to the 9/11 Commission criticized this notion:

    It has been said that the intelligence agencies have to be right 100% of the time. And the terrorists only have to get lucky once. This explanation for the devastating attacks of September 11th, simple on its face, is wrong in its value, because the 9-11 terrorists were not just lucky once. They were lucky over and over again. When you have this repeated pattern of broken protocols, broken laws, broken communication, one cannot still call it luck. If at some point, we don’t look to hold the individuals accountable for not doing their jobs, properly, then how can we ever expect for terrorists to not get lucky again?[3]


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    To believe in the 9/11 “official story” is to believe in a massive, coordinated, and “coincidental” failure at many levels in which those most responsible for preventing the attacks were not fired or reprimanded and instead promoted. The 9/11 official story depends on your ignorance of these and other facts, not on your knowledge of them. On top of this, there is very strong evidence to suggest that other parts of the attacks including the destruction of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7 were deliberately orchestrated to make sure that the attacks were successful.[84]

    Who really benefited from the 9/11 attacks? Why were whistleblowers silenced? Why weren’t officials reprimanded? Why were they promoted? Why were routine FAA procedures to intercept aircraft not followed? Why did the FBI suddenly become “competent” immediately after the attacks? Who has profited from the billions of dollars spent on the 9/11 wars?[85] Cui Bono?


    http://911truth.org/9-11-promotions-failures-cui-bono/
     
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    Leave it to Rehnquist's supreme swastika up Uranus court national religion where Arab terrorists that threatened POTUS & to nuke Temple Mount prior to 9/11 are made higher than one nation under God with yet another immaculate drug conception after Federal Lynching churchstate of hate cops attempts to baptize eyes by urinations so those burning Bush's could practice sending one to an afterlife on the deaths of USA citizens as if they're the all too dang lily brilliant white master race; laughing in your face. Islam Christiananality pedophilia slave trade business of pedophile mentalities as one nation under God with equal justice under law......
     
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    According to AE911Truth, these are some of the actions the members will take to further the federal grand jury investigation:

    This grand jury proceeding is an unprecedented and time-sensitive opportunity to bring about a real investigation with subpoena power and secure indictments against individuals suspected of carrying out this heinous crime. The Lawyers' Committee and AE911Truth will take several measures — involving hundreds of hours of work and hundreds of pages of submissions — to ensure that the grand jury is presented with the strongest case possible.

    U.S. Attorney Advocacy


    Push for the inclusion of Lawyers' Committee attorneys and AE911Truth experts in the grand jury process. Also, submit additional filings of new evidence, such as the soon-to-be-released WTC 7 computer modeling study by engineers at the University of Alaska Fairbanks.
    (for those who are anxiously awaiting the release of Dr. Hulsey's final report).

    Persons with Material Information

    File an extensive brief on persons with material information in order to assist the grand jury's investigation. These will include experts, eyewitnesses, and individuals who may have been involved in the crime or may otherwise have information that could help identify perpetrators.

    FOIA Requests


    Submit FOIA requests for new information and finish litigating existing FOIA requests with NIST and other agencies to bolster the evidence being presented to the grand jury.
    (hopefully this will include the release of all NIST data, formulas and models for all 3 WTC towers that they have thus far refused to release under pretext of "endangering public safety")

    Expert and Witness Declarations

    Maximize the effectiveness of expert and eyewitness testimony — and increase the likelihood they'll be invited to testify in person — by preparing and filing sworn declarations (the federal equivalent of an affidavit).


    And any failure to proceed in any good faith manner will be met with a:

    Mandamus Action

    If the U.S. Attorney does not in good faith comply with the provisions of 18 U.S.C. § 3332, a lawsuit could be filed resulting in a court order that requires the U.S. Attorney to comply.

    https://www.ae911truth.org/grandjury

    Those who strongly believe the Official Conspiracy Theory is accurate should have nothing to fear if all the evidence, papers and eyewitnesses brought to the Grand Jury in support of this action is declared bogus.

    Those who strongly believe in justice and the rule of law should welcome this action regardless of what they may or may not believe about 9/11.
     
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    There is an interesting article about this 9/11 grand jury investigation whose author (Scott Baker) claims:

    As far as this writer has seen, no major mainstream news organization has seen fit to cover this story in its leading headlines, or anywhere else, at this time. One can imagine that would change, and change a great deal, if the Grand Jury returns a finding supportive of the petition. The ramifications of such a finding are more difficult to imagine, but could conceivably implicate past and present high level parties of both federal and local governments.

    This writer offers no opinion on the veracity of the organization's claims, nor any special expertise to do so. Whatever one's position, however, seeking the truth of one of the most major events of the current century through the legal system cannot be faulted.


    https://www.opednews.com/articles/9..._911_911-Coverup_911-Timeline-181212-458.html
     
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    Yes, the conspiracy of silence in our mainstream media is obvious on this issue. Not a word from any of the presstitute figures.

    I'm interested to see DOJ's reaction to this, and to see if the Mandamus action will have to be used to force their hand. It has the potential to expose to all the complicity of the federal government in the cover-up.
     
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    whistle blower? ... that has to be the most ridiculous story I have ever read ... Prince Bandar wanted to give this clown $100k for suggesting 747s loaded with fuel was an original idea? ...

    I guarantee that concocted bullshit will be laughed out of any courtroom ... truthers will fall for any BS story that coincides with their bias ...

    thanks for the laugh though Bobby ...
     
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    If his story is true then he's a whistle blower. If not then he's a liar who has the stones to file a false affidavit and risk perjury.

    But yet you fell for THE most ridiculous story ever, the OCT.

    I doubt that was the point Robert Alexander was trying to make with the story. That's not what I concluded anyway.

    Concocted bullshit probably will, facts and evidence not likely. What you "guarantee" is irrelevant. This story is not part of this action, it's just one additional document that may or may not ever be part of the actionable legal process.

    Your personal demons are irrelevant to this story. However, gullible people will fall for any BS story that coincides with their bias and even defend it 24/7 (e.g. the OCT).

    The cognitive dissonant do have a habit of feigning amusement at anything that doesn't fit their world view.
     
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    thanks for sharing Bob ... I love amusing stories ...
     
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    This just in, from the land of no life.
    The camp fire in California was a hoax.

    The government killed those people,
    just so it could raise insurance rates.
     
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    Thats typical of Stalinist Marxists when they get a little power.
     
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    I say let them have their silly little investigation ... televise it on all the major news stations ... watch ****** bag lawyers and expert witnesses make tons of cash ...
     
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    I hope after it’s all done all those involved make a fortune writing about how they exposed the OCT fraud and reality of 9/11. They would deserve every penny. And yeah preferably on every major MSM outlet. This should be as high profile as possible.
     
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    I think they all made their money.'
    There is not much available anymore, and they only have so many gullible people.
     
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    there is no OCT to expose Bobby ... that is a term used almost exclusively by you and I am sure you think you are pretty clever spinning law and facts ... I have already shown how you take the facts out of context ... please stop as it is embarrassing watching to twist in the wind of bullshit ... take up another hobby and quit being so paranoid ...

    there is no grand jury investigation ... just some legal maneuvering by troofers and their donors to make one "possible" ... this is going absolutely nowhere Bobby ... and you know it but will probably blame the gubmint when it doesn't ...
     
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    And this thread detailing a special federal grand jury investigation into a portion of the OCT that the US attorney for the Southern District will be complying with doesn't exist. Because in your world all the following (and much more) that the grand jury will be looking into is "spun facts" and "out of context".

    https://lawyerscommitteefor9-11inquiry.org/download/lc-doj-first-amended-petition

    All assumptions below, which were used in the NIST WTC7 report, have been shown to be erroneous, and correction of these assumptions invalidate the report's conclusions.

    1. A girder bearing seat width of 12 inches not 11 inches at column 79 would prevent girder walk off.

    2. The omitted stiffeners on girder A2001 at column 79 would have prevented the flange from folding and eliminated any chance of walk off.

    3. The thermally expanded girder A2001 could not move past the column 79 side plate.

    4. There were shear studs on girder A2001 and this would cause the beams to buckle before pushing the girder off its seat.

    5. All west and south girder connections to column 79 were not broken down to the 6th floor.

    6. A northeast corner floor failure could not cascade down eight floors so there is not enough energy to break through the girder connection on the next floor down.

    7. There were lateral support beams framing G3005 and they would have prevented it from buckling.

    8. Beam and girder notching to simulate their buckling due to the fire in the model is not consistent with the time phased weakening fire would produce.

    9. Evidence of temperatures high enough to melt steel as documented by FEMA was ignored.

    10. The NIST model shows radical deformation of the upper exterior as the east side interior collapses but this is not observed in actual footage of the video collapse.

    11. A simultaneous free fall of all four corners of the roofline does have implications.

    Summary of problems with the NIST WTC Tower Report

    1. The claim that the upper part of the towers crushed the lower part of the towers violates the laws of conservation of momentum and the law that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. As shown by the measured smooth uninterrupted descent of the upper portion of the North Tower.

    2. NIST claims that the floor trusses in the aircraft impact zone push outward on the perimeter columns with a force of about 80 KIPS before starting to sag and pull the columns inward to cause the building to collapse. Yet there is no evidence to support this claim. Extensive photos and videos of the towers show no outward bowing of the perimeter columns at any time during the fires before the collapse.

    3. NIST imposed unrealistic artificial 5 KIP forces on each floor truss to column connection over the 5 stories of the damage zone on the south face of the North Tower in order to make their collapse initiation model work. This amounts to a lateral force of about 750 KIPS applied artificially to that face of the building which cannot be justified by any rationale.

    4. NIST does not investigate or explain the global collapse which occurred after the collapse initiation was supposedly initiated by the column failures in the impact zone. NIST simply states, “global collapse ensued”.

    5. The NIST collapse sequence is initiated by the failure of the floor trusses in the impact zone and subsequent pulling in of the perimeter column. But the sequence ignores the fact that the core columns failed first, as evidenced by the video of the North Tower collapse showing that the antenna and hat truss resting on the core column began their descent well before the outer perimeter of the building began to fall. This fact invalidates the NIST collapse initiation theory.

    6. The NIST report fails to provide any information suggesting that the load capacity of the core and perimeter columns was exceeded at any time during the collapse sequence. NIST ignored the fact that the factor of safety of 3 in the core columns and 5 in the perimeter columns would have prevented the failure mechanism that is theorized in their collapse initiation model.

    7. The NIST global collapse theory depends upon the ASCE-published progressive collapse theory by Zdenek Bazant. His theory has been shown to have erroneous input data rendering it non-viable as an explanation for the observed behavior of the vertical propagation. ASCE refuses to acknowledge the errors in the input data of Bazant’s theory.
     
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    The cover-up is worse than the crime itself. Maybe truth will out in the mainstream, but this will be interesting either way.
     
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    Actually the coverup is part of the same crime, it is complicity.

    Part of the truth is already out there, that the 9/11 investigations were all frauds meant to coverup the truth about 9/11 and protect the criminals.

    I have to agree with that. Even though grand jury investigations are not public, those who testify have no obligation to keep their testimony secret. And if the grand jury determines a crime or crimes have been committed worthy of prosecution, then the details do become public.
     
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    question Bob ... who authored these alleged facts and what was their source material used to arrive at these conclusions? ...
     
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    Facts are not authored, they are just facts. They were discovered via years of analysis by various architects and engineers and other relevant experts.

    The NIST reports (see bolded that you quoted), NIST letters acknowledging certain failures (e.g. the missing stiffeners and correction of the bearing seat width), the original Frankel drawings, the Bazant theory, FEMA, etc.
     
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    nice dodge Bob ... so you are saying that you don't know who authored your so called facts but leaning on "various architects and engineers and other relevant experts" ... take a nap Bob ... you have no clue ...
     
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    when one presents something as a fact, they should be able to source the material ... facts do not just appear without source material backing said claims ...

    Frankel drawings? ... really? ... drawings never equal as-builts ...

    do you even know what value engineering and the very oft hidden as-builts are Bobby? ... I'm sure you do not ...

    not to mention all the physics at play in 7? ... do your "experts" take into account all the unknown variables? ...

    stiffeners Bobby right? ...
     

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