A 25-year-old black man was shot dead in Georgia while jogging, prompting online protests labeling t

Define "threaten".
Was it a threat because he had a firearm?

 

He was "fleeing police" because he very likely knew police had been called, or would be arriving on the scene soon if he stuck around.

While we can't read his mind, that would have been reasonable to assume.

 

A desperate man who has been trying to get away from the men for several minutes already. Perhaps as Travis ran to the front of the truck to cut Arbery off he stumbled and Arbery thought he had the briefest of opportunities to save himself.

 

Well, he was running. Which is why they had to chase, rather than merely follow him.

 

With two other armed men following closely behind?

 

"trespass scene"??? Do you not hear how silly that sounds? You can't grab your guns and chase down someone for trespassing. SMH.

 

On what basis?

The interesting thing to me is to consider what would be the situation if the races were reversed. White guy in a predominantly black neighborhood. Poked his head into a vacant building to see what was going on. Two black guys stop him, he runs off, they follow him in their car and pull up to confront him with weapons drawn. Do you think he would be in fear for his life?

I can tell you, I would be in fear for my life whether the two men were white, black, hispanic, asian etc.

 

In some places you can.
This was Georgia, remember.

 

I know, his life was still very much in danger, but his action is easily justified.

 

The white guy certainly might have ran, but he would not have tried to do what Arbery did.

 

They didn't have to follow him or chase him at all. And I'd be willing to be that if someone followed and then chased you, then pulled up in a car with weapons drawn, you would find that quite threatening.

 

Just because his action is justified does not mean that McMichael's action was not justified.

And by the way, his action was "justified" by law and natural rights, not by basic logic and common sense.

(And I'd argue maybe his action wasn't even justified, because he knew he had just trespassed, and these men may likely have been following him for that)

 

BS. You can't predict what someone would do based on the color of their skin.

 

do you have evidence any of them had their "weapons drawn" before Arbery decided to run towards one of them around the corner of that vehicle?

(This was after Arbery had already been running)


Edit: Or are you merely referring to holding the weapons? It's a bit hard to keep weapons holstered when they're long guns.

Are you going to argue the McMichaels should have been carrying handguns instead or something??

 

bcx4 is making stuff that armed men confronted an innocent citizen going about his business.

 

They were on the way and the McMichael's knew it and he certainly suspected having just been seen burglarizing a private residence by someone standing there talking on the phone else why did he suddenly flee the scene. The reasonable man thingy.

 

Funny how we can go for a couple of years with no black getting shot, or reported in the news, then when an election is near it is like open season.

What a joke. I can't believe folks fall for these racial hoaxes.

 

They had clearly told him they wanted to talk to him, they had not threatened to shot him, one person got out legally holding a shotgun. Yea I bet he did not want to be there when the police arrived and was having difficulty exiting the area. So he attacked a person holding a shotgun and tried to disarm that person and in that struggle was shot and killed. HE initiated the physical confrontation and attack which is what caused the shotgun to be discharged. He could have stopped and talked to the McMichael's, he could have continued to go down the street. And the fact is had the McMicheals actually point a weapon at him and ordered him to stop they may have had grounds to do so since he was recognized as a suspect in felonies. And I go back if you think two people have guns on you and you think they will use them you don't try to sprint the 12 feet or so at the one holding a shotgun and then try to get that weapon, if the person is there to kill you you'd be dead before your second stride and then the other person who shoot you.

Why do you think it Travis intended to murder Arbery he didn't purposely shoot him as he rounded the truck and turned towards him. Again the reasonable man thingy.

 

They could have left their weapons in the truck.

They could have not chased him down at all.

Two men chased him in a car and got out with firearms. Do you think it was unreasonable for him to fear for his life?

 

Do you think it was unreasonable for him to fear for his life? Two men had just chased him down in a truck and got out with weapons.

 

Are you serious?

 

If he cared anything for his life, he would not have tried to take on 3 armed men.

That's why I'm not buying this argument that he was "trying to protect his own life".

No, I think he was more fearful that he would be apprehended by authorities (even if he should actually have had no reason to fear that), since he had had prior run-ins with the law before, was a black man, these were older white men, he was in a white neighborhood that was not his own, and had just trespassed into a home under construction when he knew he should probably not have.

 

Not if you created that danger by committing a crime and had presented yourself as a armed criminal. The video showing the home he had broken into CLEARLY show him fleeing after he knows he was spotted. And you can defend yourself when there is an imminent threat. There is no evidence he believed the McMichaels were there to shoot him in the street, they had had ample opportunity to do so and then didn't and no evidence they verbally threatened to do so. You have presented yourself as a suspected armed burglar I think you can expect law abiding citizens to deal with and to do so ARMED THEMSELVES. Arbery choose to make that sharp left turn and attack Travis. Are you saying he was stupid enough to charge at someone at least 12 feet away armed with a shotgun who was going to use that shotgun on them? And it begs the question if Travis's purpose was to chase down and kill a black guy then why didn't he just shot him when he had the chance?

 

Of course I am. They had lots of options. Starting with - don't follow the guy in the first place. If they follow, don't confront. If they confront him, stay in the car (roll down the window). If they get out of the car, stay far enough away to be able to retreat to the car if he tries to engage them. In any event, exit the car without their weapons.

They chose just about the most aggressive option available - one that made it reasonable for him to fear for his life. I've read another 2A poster on this forum who says that if you are confronted with a weapon, you should run away from a knife and towards a gun.

 

You didn't answer the question - in the circumstances, would it be reasonable for him to be in fear for his life?