A Fundamental Reason for Vaccine Hesitancy

Your position was clear the first time. I do like how you are talking about a better vaccine and agree. I am more likely to take a product after the bugs have been worked out.

I have no issue with helping those in need, but these handouts were indiscriminate and were more about buying votes, the way I see it.

Interesting to read a comparison to WW2. That is quite a streatch from a virus.

As far as it being "Safe", you cannot demonstrate that to be true as there are no known long-term side effects. Even the manufacturers have a "use at your own risk" disclaimer.

Knowing the risk for healthy people is extremely low, there is no excuse for burdening them with mandated and lock downs that politicians don't even believe in. You may not care about Newsoms abuse of power and hypocrisy, but voters do and he is being recalled as a result.

I appreciate the polite discussion and respect your decision and your beliefs. That still does not justify forcing your beliefs on others.

 

Your country is truly and completely FUBAR if the predominant reason against a vaccine isn’t science, rational thought, or even religion, but the hypocrisy of political leaders of the party you don’t like.

I mean what remains? Is there anything whatsoever that you WON’T turn into a political football?

 

Dont know why this person was banned, but they were right when they typed the above.

 

I am one of the last people wishing to use force on people.

We may have an extremely difficult problem. There is too much virus circulating for us to have an economic recovery. A lot of our capital is tied up in businesses people stay away from if covid is circulating, and the more it circulates, the more pull back spending.

What should we do with the restaurant seats left empty by people staying away? Cruise ships, commercial airplanes, hotels, bars, clubs, gyms, museums, schools, and on and on.

None of this has to happen if enough people get vaccinated. Failing that, the vaccinated will choose activities from those excluding the unvaccinated. Why go to a restaurant frequented by unvaccinated people? A bar? Movie theater?

 

That was what we were told, but results show otherwise. Israel has a high rate of vax, how are they doing? Healthy people carry an extremely low risk and there is no reason to exclude them from the businesses you listed. My gym stayed open during the pandemic by making a slight change to the business. (They added "rehab" to the name) A few people did catch Covid, but not one single hospitalization.

No one is trying to deny you a mask of vax.

 

Crazy, no? You are absolutely correct about them. They don't trust the government. They don't know anything, so they look for someone to trust and you get them saying crazy s--- because they're repeating what someone says.

 

I never said it was the predominant reason; I said it was the fundamental reason. I mean, I did write the word "fundamental" in the title of this thread, right? Unlike the headlines of the liberal press, the title of this thread matches the argument that I am making. There are other fundamental reasons behind vaccine hesitancy, and the hypocrisy of the Democrat Party, the party of lockdowns, the party that has been self-righteous about this disease, which politicized this disease, absolutely is a fundamental reason, as it engenders cynicism when their own leaders don't obey the very rules that they are enacting, and that cynicism is greater when they don't get punished for it either politically or criminally.

 

This is the situation in Israel:



https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israel-covid-graphs-prove-vaccines-works-delta-pfizer-1.10101640

The vaccine works.

They are far more likely to have covid.

Your anecdotal story does not rise to the level of evidence.

The vaccine work.

 

Thank you for proving the person you quoted correct. Your entire rant about the vaccine is all political.

 

Of course it is. COVID was politicized by Democrats. You all politicized it. I am simply responding to the politics. What, did you expect me to respond to it in an apolitical way?

Don't be silly.

 

Then look outside America c-if you dare

 

Your country politicizes EVERYTHING and I see little difference between the Democrats and the Republicans when it comes to this constant finger pointing at each other. Its almost as if the actual issues don't matter at all, and its only about team A vs team B.

 

Something is not making sense here. You would expect the % of deaths from breakthrough infections to increase as the number of vaccinations increase. However, if you bump your data against % vaccinations by state, this is not what's happening across the board. For example, in Illinois the vaccination % is 73.5% for ages 18-64 compare that to indiana whose number is 55.5 % for the same demographic. You would expect to see a higher breakthrough death rate in Illinois but it is almost identical to Indiana. Arizona has aver 5 x higher breakthrough death rate with only a 64.5% vax rate. My state, NM, has almost 80% vax rate but only a 2% breakthrough death rate.

 

I'm not so sure this is as air tight as you think. See Israel.

 

Look. The vaccines do not prevent transmission. Do not reduce viral load. All they do is protect the individual. That's it. They won't prevent mutation. As the vaccine is not 100 percent and we will see breakthrough cases on those vaccinated.

So if someone wants to weigh risk/reward by not getting vaccinated. That's on the individual.

 

It became political once those anti mask dipshits demanded businesses to be open to get a damn haircut and our former idiot POTUS backed that ridiculousness with his stupid ass statements.

 

Whose the bigger dipshit, the ones demanding ineffective counter measures or those who protest ineffective counter measures as a condition of doing business?

 

Here is the situation in Israel for serious cases with the Delta variant:



I'd say one is better off vaccinated against covid.

 

Vaccines aren't ineffective. LOL

 

Au contraire. The economy is hanging on because of massive government spending. Pull that spending as Republicans urge, and we'll the the full impact of folks' unwillingness to spend as usual for services that put them at risk of contracting covid.

 

He did (Kaiser Family Foundation), you didn't.

You anti-vaxxers are increasingly desperate as you're losing the public debate.

 

Next time, try posting something coherent.

 

I couldn't just give you a "Like" for that zinger.

 

Trying to distract from your faux pas?

 

No one is arguing that vaccines don't work; only their level of effectiveness. The current vaccine is not working as presented. I hope you are right and a better one will be develped. Until then, I will not be consuming this product

Your sweeping generalization fallacy is an attempt to rob people of their individuality. (That's what racists do) The truth is that the vast majority of those refusing to consume this product are current in all of their necessary vaccinations. Assigning titles with a broad stroke is a sign of desperation.