A Fundamental Reason for Vaccine Hesitancy

Do all people who catch COVID wind up in the ICU?

Additionally, is it true that medical insurance will not cover any portion of their medical bills? If so, may you please provide a link that substantiates that claim?

 

Oh dear! You're dreaming about Nancy e.v.e.r.y night?!

 

Before March 2020, businesses weren’t begging for labor. Now they are, yet we don’t have more people. We technically have less abled bodies and plenty of jobs to go around.

Democrats are failures, attempting to buy votes by paying people to stay home and become wards of the state. Disgraceful.

 

Again, projection. That is you.

 

No. But more than 99% of those in the ICU and dying are unvaccinated.

I stand corrected. Because of the ACA and another bill in 1996, health insurance companies are not allowed to deny coverage due to being unvaccinated. But they will soon be able to charge higher premiums for those who are unvaccinated.

 

But what is the supposition derived from that? Are you implying that 99% of those in the ICU are there because they did not get a vaccine? Suppose vaccinated people and unvaccinated people have different lifestyles, which accounts for the rates at which either group ends up in the ICU. Vaccinated people, for instance, may rarely leave their house. Sure, this, for now, prevents them from getting the illness, but it's no way to live. There's other facts, too, that are in play outside of that for instance.

 

Vaccinated folks, such as myself, are not staying home. We have jobs, he have lives. We also have much more places we can safely go due to the fact that we are vaccinated.

What I find puzzling is why those who refuse to be vaccinated gladly accept any drug that can be pumped into them while they are in the Hospital struggling to breathe. Why do these same unvaccinated folks gladly accept livestock dewormer rather than an FDA approved vaccine that has the data to back up its safety and success?

 

Most of the people I see struggling to breath are old and / or fat. There are few if any young, healthy people struggling to breath, because of COVID. The way this disease is talked about with such hysterics, it's as if every age and body type is dying at the same rate. Additionally, regarding the data, unfortunately, you guys have politicized the data, too. For example, like I said earlier to another Democrat, the COVID death count is overly inflated. How do I know this? Because they were counting people who died of motorcycle accidents and cancer as having died from COVID. (1) CNN, for instance, ran a story in which over 1,000 health professionals signed a letter saying that BLM protests (riots) should not be shut down over COVID concerns. (2) This was BEFORE the vaccine. You all have politicized science, a domain that should be apolitical. Worse, you politicized a disease. Perhaps this disease is worse than I think it is, but, unfortunately, you all have created such well-deserved distrust in our institutions. The data is now seen as political editorialization masquerading as scientific data, and the scientist, especially those over 1,000 "health professionals," are the ones that have politicized this stuff, not me. They must share the lion's worth of the blame for anyone who died because of the distrustful messaging about this disease.

You should condemn those over 1,000 health professionals who politicized this disease, saying that those protests (riots) in which the country was literally on fire should not be shut down over COVID concerns. You should condemn those COVID death counters who are counting people who are dying of cancer or motorcycle accidents as having died from COVID. You should be condemning Nancy Pelosi, who on multiple occasions flagrantly ran afoul of official mitigating prescriptions for COVID and has supported using the arm of the government to make citizens comply with them. But you won't. No, instead you'll blame me and other people who are hesitant about getting the vaccine for having a basic commonsense reaction to this blatant hypocrisy.

1. https://www.kgw.com/article/news/in...aths/283-0b1b7b6c-695e-4313-92cf-a4cfd7510721
2. https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/05/health/health-care-open-letter-protests-coronavirus-trnd/index.html

 

So you choose to not get a life saving vaccine because of politics. Yet you are upset at Doctors and Scientists who you "feel" made it about politics. If you get terribly ill from Covid and have to go to the Hospital, will you refuse the treatments the Doctors give you due to your political feelings about them?

 

Are you going to ignore what I said about the economy? Short of having an effective treatment, we need to get the new case count much lower if we hope to restore demand in a wide range of services our economy is capitalized to produce.

My agenda includes saving the economy from a painful adjustment.

You think it's okay to keep the pandemic going.

 

Covid deaths are higher than reported deaths:


Ratios of excess COVID-19 deaths to reported COVID-19 deaths

http://www.healthdata.org/special-analysis/estimation-excess-mortality-due-covid-19-and-scalars-reported-covid-19-deaths

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

 

As you have reluctantly admitted, the best treatment is a strong immune system. The damage to the economy was due to government interference. Mom n pop shops were forced to close so that people could crowd Walmart to buy the same item at a much higher risk. Buying a plant from the crowded Home Depot garden department was deemed "essential" Parking enforcement was out towing the cars of those obeying the stay-at-home order.

Looking forward, focusing on those high at risk and leaving healthy people alone best serves the interest of public health and economic recovery.

 

What recession are you talking about?

What you obviously don't understand is that a big chunk of the economy is not fully recovering from the recession because a number of people are cutting back on spending for services that could put them at risk on contracting covid.

When you finish railing against Democrats, you might come up with an approach that gets the unvaccinated vaccinated so we can drop the number of new covid cases wayyyyy down. If we don't get the pandemic under control, our economy will go into a tailspin when we pull the very generous government support, allow tenant evictions, etc.

 

You don't seem understand our economic problem. We're putting money in the hands of millions who lost their jobs because many people have turned away from the services their employers provide--restaurants, airlines, hotels, schools, bars, clubs, etc. The more the virus circulates, the more people pull back.

We can cut off government money and people will scramble for work, but that won't increase spending.

 

Fundamental problem causing vaccine hesitancy?

They don't trust the federal government any further than they can throw it, and for good reasons.

 

The best thing we have at the moment are vaccines.

The damage was caused by reduced consumer spending for goods and services that might expose buyers to covid.




This was prior to the vaccines and variants.

Rich people strike again!

Sure--a great idea if you want to wreck the economy.

 

So, who trusts pols?

Get your g-d shot.

 

Already had mine. In fact, it's probably worn off already, since we're finding out they are only good for about 8 months or so.

 

As you have already reluctantly admitted to, a strong immune system is the best we have.

Your chart does not factor in government mandated shutdowns. Going to the grocery store and selecting a ripe avocado is not exactly low risk.

 

I'd say that mistrust towards government is a convenient fig leaf for cowardice.

 

So the brave let the government do their thinking for them?

 

No, the best defense we have is the vaccine.

It show attitudes toward purchases--the point of my remark.

 

True to her reputation in living up to the ethos of shameless hypocrisy, Pelosi, along with Democrat donors, again, of late, flies in the face of mitigation protocols.

 

You are incorrect and have already admitted it. The decision to purchase is based on perceived value. You are convinced the vaccine benefits you and made a decision to consume the product. Based on the current level of knowledge, I will not be consuming this product.

I have no issue with the decisions of others; my issue is with government abuse of power and overreach. The same politicians, with nice hair cuts, enjoying elegant dining experiences, sending their kids to in-person school, are imposing mandates on you they don't even believe in.

When it was a new issue and we didn't know any better, I can excuse some of the bad decisions. Now that we have the better part of 2 years of data, there is no excuse.

 

I think there's a good chance we'll put the economy into a hole much deeper than 2008 if we don't (1) cut the amount of new covid cases, (2) people don't change their risk tolerance toward catching covid, or (3) develop a cure or a better vaccine. I don't see #2 happening without #3, so #1 will only happen if enough people get vaccinated.

Are you prepared to see the economy tank when we pull back on the money handouts and measures like eviction moratoriums?

I don't give a fig if Gavin Newsom eats at the French Laundry with his pals or Trump has access to treatments average folks don't. We're talking about wrecking the economy, not thumbing our noses at lying pols. The time for personal statements is way the hell OVER.

We drafted millions of men to fight WW2. We had rations. You couldn't buy a new car because manufacturers were told the had to make arms. People had to do things they didn't want to do.

No excuse for what? Not taking a quite safe vaccine, or failing that taking steps to make sure you're not spreading covid?