A Fundamental Reason for Vaccine Hesitancy

This should raise the hair on the back of your neck:

• "Insurance companies waived cost-sharing for COVID-19 testing and treatment in 2020 to help curtail the spread of the coronavirus.

• In 2021, most insurance companies are expected to drop these waivers, leaving their subscribers to pay a large portion of COVID-19 testing and treatment costs.
• Researchers suggest patients’ out-of-pocket burden could be substantial should insurers stop granting the waivers.

Being hospitalized for COVID-19 will most likely get more costly for the patient, not their insurance company.

That’s because most insurance plans are expected to drop their cost-sharing waivers, which have prevented many people from being inundated with medical debt after being hospitalized, sometimes for weeks, with COVID-19."​

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/why-out-of-pocket-costs-for-covid-19-care-may-skyrocket-in-2021

How would you like to be gasping for breath in the hospital and wonder if you'll have a home if you survive

My one concession to the unvaccinated would be to support covering their medical bills. Vaccine passports, full ahead.

 

They reduce transmission.

They reduce the viral load a lot in people who don't get infected because they're vaccinated.

If you don't get it, you don't spread it.

The virus doesn't doesn't mutate in people who don't get it.

Yep.

Our "risk/reward" for kicking unvaccinated to the curb with vaccine passports suggests we should limit their opportunities to spread covid.

 

They do around here.

Ah, the implication I'm a racist?

Yeah, sure. I'm the one who makes batpoop crazy arguments against the vaccines.

 

Latest CDC word on the topic. (dated late July) Regarding the delta.
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0730-mmwr-covid-19.html

You were saying?

 

I'm sorry, I thought you were talking about masks. Oh wait a minute... YOU WERE:

 

No sir. I do not believe you are a racist. One needs not be racist to use a sweeping generalization fallacy. Sexists, ageists, and many others ists's do it. Assign a title, then paint the entire group with a broad stroke.

 

Glad to see you trust CDC when they confirm your opinion.
By the way, wearing masks indoors has been recommended for months, for vaccinated AND unvaccinated people.

 

The fact that I can get by the mask mandate with some bullshit home made glorified washcloth over my face tells me all I need to know about the bullshit regarding those who push masks.

If people were serious about masks (which they are not) We would be demanding everyone wear this;



But because even those pushing masks wouldn't wear this ridiculous thing that is superior in every way to the cloth masks I can get by on...I'm just gonna say they are calling out virtue and conformity and not really interested in staying safe. Because if it were about everyone keeping themselves safe, again...we would all be asked to wear the mask I just posted.

AND even if not everyone had access or want to wear this mask, we would at least see SOME people wearing it. Alas. It looks ridiculous and as such it pushes through everyone's virtue bullshit.

At any rate...the vaccine is about keeping yourself safe now. It's nobody's concern that someone else got or didn't get the vaccine. That's where we are now.

 

Sure dude; whatever.

 

Great counter.

 

Factoring in any group, it doesn't matter, add it all up and we wind up with Republicans the greater majority of anti-vaxxers.

I'm not an anti-vaxxer. I got my shot early on.

 

I agree.

And this is the anti-mask dipshit right here.



Thank you for agreeing with my argument.

What the hell were you going on about before? Jeeze.

 

Smells like politics. They want to get unvaccinated folks wearing masks and have no way of checking who is and isn't vaccinated. Why not? Because they didn't come up with a vaccine passport months ago. Why not? Because they think they have people who want people to vaccinations onside and don't want to tick off anti-vaxxers.

Is it any wonder why people don't trust them?

When I wear a mask, I go with a good one--a P100 respirator...



Why haven't they made these available free to anyone who wants one?

We're arguing over masks that help--they actually do--but truly effective PPE could, for example, let a school stay open even if they had cases of the virus. Good masks could be an important tool in an outbreak, or simply something a senior might wear to make sure they don't get covid if they go ahead to the mall, big box store, etc. Hey, if a $20 respirator will get folks out it the house, I'm all for it.

I figure vaccinated folks have a choice--give up, let you keep the pandemic going and perhaps wreck the economy, or take action by keeping the unvaccinated away from venues where they're likely to spread covid. You stand a good chance of losing your job, too.

 

There's an issue here worth considering?

 

Still dreaming of Nancy?!

 

Oh, Walter said that COVID became political when anti-mask dipshits wanted to get a hair cut.



And I was just pointing out the anti-mask dipshit.

That's all.

 

@21Bronco is an anti-vaxxer and that's who I was addressing.

White Republicans aren't getting vaccinated as your graph (see above) proves.

 

I’ve had the shot. Guess you’re wrong yet again.

 

IF so, why all that propaganda?

 

I'm all for people taking the vaccine, if it's appropriate for them. Since the whole world won't get vaccinated, we will likely be stuck with COVID in it's future variant forms even if we reached 100% vaccination here.
I'm a bit confused why the government fast tracked a treatment Remdesivir that was literally pulled off of another medical trial for it's horrible side effects, while is banning other treatments that show signs of working. I think it's all about the money, personally.
I'm more so mad that the same people mismanaging this (Fauci & Co.) funded the damned research that created this plague and face zero consequences.

 

I agree that we might be stuck with Covid for quite some time, even more reason to try and limit its damage through all practical means, even if they seem futile to you.

I had heard and read about Remdesivir but i'm not aware of current developments. You read here and there about some encouraging/promising
trials, but nothing effective seems to have emerged so far.

Don't let yourself be carried away too much with that so-called research that supposedly created this virus. There is no evidence of that (yet) and the Chinese are very discreet about that whole matter, so it will be very hard to prove anything, let alone sue the "designated scapegoat" Fauci.

 

Yeah, the Chinese are never going to admit that it came from their lab. Evidence points to a high likelihood that it did. First, there’s the huge coincidence of research being done on COVID viruses where they were taking the bat viruses and splicing the spike proteins into the COVID RNA. Then, magically, a COVID variant with the spike protein kills two people working in the lab and starts spreading in the same are where the lab is located.

Fauci is simply incompetent. If it’s true that he didn’t know that his own agency was funding this research until early 2020, then that is a pretty big sign of incompetence. And the heavy-handed approach they’ve taken to actually ban treatment of COVID with medicines that doctors might want to use. He needs to go. It’s time.

It’s this same heavy handed approach, as well as his denials and confused messaging that has created much of the hesitancy.

 

Yeah, sure.

 

This from the guy who doesn't know how vaccines work.

Your style...?

Why are you pushing treatments that don't work and may even be harmful?

 

Neither Biden nor Trump are medical doctors. So your deflection back to Trump is really pretty irrelevant. And your meme is just an appeal to ridicule fallacy, devoid of any argumentative value.

Why am I pushing treatments that don't work? I'm not. Why is Fauci?