Abortion is a Homicide

Actualy if we use you as a model, insults follow reasonable questons.

 

That is not the issue. The issue is that you can not tell what it is at any given time. If you can not establish if it is one or two organisms, then it becomes questionable if it is an organism to start with.

 

It is one organism until it becomes two. What part of that don't you understand. Identical twins have identical DNA, so the one organism is naturally cloned in the case of twins. So it is one organism until it becomes two. It is clear, unless you are trying to justify abortion homicide at all costs.

 

First it is one organism, then it is two? Then the cloned twin's life did not begin at conception.

 

but for the conception, the twin would not exist so the twin's life did begin at conception.

 

But for the egg and sperm existing before conception, the conception would not have taken place, so the life did not begin at conception.

 

The fact that, in rare cases, twins can result does not change anything. A zygote is a human being.

 

The life did not begin at conception.

 

You are absolutely wrong!

 

You keep saying that as if it made any sense. Do you realize that based on what you said before, that is the same as saying that it is one human being till it becomes two?

What part of one human organism can not become two human organisms do you have difficulty with?

So then one of the twins is not a product of human reproduction but a product of cloning?

 

That too is a correct statement.

The part where it is a lie.

Yes.

 

Where, exactly, did you explain this magical changing of species?

 

The life of the twin, like the life of the original child, began at the moment it came into existence.

It's really not that complicated.

 

A twin isn't a twin when conceived, though.

 

When is a twin "conceived"?

 

She can't! She actually is incapable of supporting any of her allegations.

 

As far as I understand the process, which honestly isn't all that well (yay web!), a monozygotic twin isn't ever really conceived. It's a clone. The differentiation can happen anywhere from shortly after fertilization until up to about a week and a half after.

 

Bingo! You win the prize!

 

In the same post in which I described the ride of the tooth fairy on the magic unicorn.

 

Why not try to demonstrate how or why?

Gee, who knew that some people in this world are not products of human reproduction. Next thing you will tell us is that it is also true that some babies are brought by the stork.

 

Who knew there were people who took the ostrich concept to such extremes?

The zygote the twin is cloned from is the product of human reproduction, therefore, so is the naturally cloned twin.

 

So you can not show why it is a lie, only labeling it as such because you had no intelligent reply.

What biology or relevant scientific reference text did you read that said so?

 

First you said there was one, then there were two. Now you seem to be saying there were two from the moment of conception.

 

No reasonable person could decifer that from what I posted.

 

If it's a "product of reproduction," you are saying it's life began at conception. The problem is you are contradicting yourself, and can't explain your way out of it.