Abortion is a Homicide

Acually you are saying that, not me. I don't need you to spin what I said. I said what I said.

The problem is thatyou apparently cannot comprehend what you read.

 

I think he's saying that a natural twin can't happen without without the reproductive process but that it's not really in existence at conception.

I can agree with that since most of us are arguing similar things, ie that you can't have a baby/person/fetus/etc without the reproductive process but that doesn't necessarily mean that they have to exist at the point of conception.

 

Thanks Bigcrash. I grow tired of spoonfeeding.

 

Then if that is the line of reasoning, it becomes clear that any number of events must take place before and as such all of them should have the same importance / significance. Further more, since it can not be determined if the initial cell will develop into a single fetus or twins, the question remains what is it. It can not be a human being since no human being can clone itself.

 

An original twin can. TRy to keep up will you.

 

Once, just once, try to make a relevant and intelligent remark.
Human being do not clone themselves, it is a simple as that.

 

You should educate yourself. identical twins have identical DNA.

 

It is scientifically possible to have a baby/person/fetus/etc without the reproductive process by cloning.

 

I absolutely love how you repeatedly make a fool of yourself here.

"You might not believe it, but there are human clones among us right now. They weren't made in a lab, though: they're identical twins, created naturally. Below, we'll see how natural identical twins relate to modern cloning technologies."

http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/tech/cloning/whatiscloning/


"In nature, twins occur just after fertilization of an egg cell by a sperm cell. In rare cases, when the resulting fertilized egg, called a zygote, tries to divide into a two-celled embryo, the two cells separate. Each cell continues dividing on its own, ultimately developing into a separate individual within the mother. Since the two cells came from the same zygote, the resulting individuals are genetically identical."


Aren't you embarrassed at all that you have so confidently claimed to know all about this subject when in reality you know NOTHING at all about it?

 

Yes they do and I never said otherwise.
Now do you care to make a relevant point?

 

Yes, its a homocide ... so?

 

http://www.eyeondna.com/2008/02/20/genetic-differences-between-identical-twins/

Epigenomic chemical modifications. Researchers at Ohio State University found epigenetic changes in twins’ genomes that increased as pairs of twins aged. One of the main epigenetic processes that occurs to our DNA is methylation which can be caused by environmental exposures, such as diet and physical activity. Methylation can lead to differences in gene expression and as we age, the amount of DNA methylation increases. So, it’s expected that identical twins will grow less and less similar in their patterns of DNA methylation and gene expression as their lives progress especially if their lifestyle habits and surroundings differ greatly.

DNA copy-number-variation profiles. Another way in which the genomes of identical twins may differ is in copy number variation (CNV) that appears as segments of DNA that are missing, occur in multiple copies, or have flipped orientation in the genome. Identical (monozygotic) twins have been found to have different CNVs which could explain why even identical twins are not truly identical in appearance or other physical characteristics despite similar environmental exposures. For example, one twin sometimes develops a disease while the other does not. (HT: DNA Direct Talk)

What does this mean for Raymon and Richard Miller? DNA methylation patterns and copy number variations can be definitive in a paternity case if differences between the brothers are identified.


http://www.multipletreasures.com/facts-about-identical-twins.php

but DNA differences of identical twins revolve around the mitochondrial DNA (DNA that is not located in the nucleus of a cell).

Mitochondrial is DNA passed on to the child by Mom. A fertilized egg will have Mom's mitochondrial DNA, half of Mom's nuclear DNA, and half of Dad's nuclear DNA. When the fertilized egg splits into two, the twins will each have identical nuclear DNA, but not EXACTLY identical mitochondrial DNA. Physical differences in identical twins are contributed, in part, to how much and how similar the mitochondrial DNA each twin inherited from Mom expresses itself.

Are YOU embarrassed yet?

 

Why would I be. You have posted nothing that contradicts my assertion. I think a college's genetics program has far more credibility than whatever this source you dredged up is anyway. .

BTW, read your source.

"the twins will each have identical nuclear DNA"

environmental factors may change them as they age? What does that have to do with anything here?

 

Could you answer my question?

 

No, it is off topic.

 

And they will have different mitochondrial DNA. And their DNA will change as they age. So identical twins do not have identical DNA. As you wrongly asserted.

 

Thanks for the best laugh I had in a while. I admit it is not a nice thing to laugh at stupid remarks, but this one is toping the scales.
I bet that it has not even occurred to you that in a thread started by you titled "Abortion is a Homicide" a reply stating "Yes, its a homocide ... so?" you labeled it as off topic.

I think SigTurner summed it up best in this post:

 

What!? He agreed that it is a homicide and essentially asked you to elaborate as to why that's significant. But you call that off topic??? WHAT? LOL!

You =

 

Jesus Christ. hmm... explain how it is off topic. Better yet, explain what is the topic!

 

Your own source and a genetic subject matter expert disagree.

 

You guys are so easy to get worked up. I love messing with you.

 

Abortion is a homicide. We seem to all finally admit that fact. It is significant because all homicide laws should be consistent, and abortion is a lone inconsistent case of homicide not treated like any other.

 

Aw you're so evasive Whaler. It's cute.

 

Thanks I always thought you had a crush on me.

 

By that logic the state cannot kill in war. Sorry there is no consistency on killing under the state, rather a consistency of considering the interests of those involved (or at least that is how it should be). Since a fetus has no interests, killing it is not immoral.