A deep philosophical question for another thread. If you want to start that new thread and leave the link here, you're welcome to, but we all know you won't. Meanwhile, stop trying to derail the subject of this thread.
Who cares about unique DNA? Is the 2nd identical twin less of a person because their DNA isn't unique? It's not a human life in a meaningful sense until they have a mind, even a basic one that can suffer.
FoxHastings said: ↑ LOL, EVERYONE'S "morals" are as ephemeral as farts in the wind...witness the Catholic Church...their "morals" change every time they want to do something else perverted.... as in raping children... . OH? Is that why they PROTECTED, HID, DEFENDED, and MOVED child rapists to different parishes (AKA FRESH RAPING FIELDS) WOW Those "christian values" are quite strange... Almost NONEXISTENT !!!! There are no "babies" in the womb and many believers uphold the rights of women..... And atheists are not CHILD RAPERS... Why? Because I posted facts you can't refute ?? LOLOLOL Maybe you need a course in FACT comprehension
LOL, why when YOU have never had a fact check No, you're just continuing your little rant on how naughty bad people are who want women to have rights...people who want to destroy women's rights and make them broodstock are disturbingly callous towards actual born people... ..but that has been their theme, "protect the Unborn and screw the Born"...LOLOLOLOLOL
OK, Fresh, let's see what the difference is here. Everyone is imperfect and sins, occasionally, Christians included. Catholic clergy have broken church law but have NEVER advocated for gay sex by insisting it's the right and moral thing to do. Nancy Peolsi has broken church laws, and HAS advocated for abortion - the killing of unborn babies - and HAS insisted it's the right and moral thing to do. Pelosi should not only be refused communion but should be excommunicated from the church, and Biden should be sent along with her.
They have minds. A damaged mind is still a mind. An embryo? No mind at all. It's just the only reasonable foundation of morality: Harm to others. How can there be an other if there is no mind to experience anything or suffer?
For most issues it's not convenient. History is littered with examples of dehumanizing those who are different but clearly have minds. It's only logical that morality would be based upon harm to others, and others would be defined as having minds. I haven't seen a logical alternative at all. The main alternative I've seen is people appealing to their imaginary higher powers, as described by ignorant bronze age people.
FoxHastings said: ↑ LOL, EVERYONE'S "morals" are as ephemeral as farts in the wind...witness the Catholic Church...their "morals" change every time they want to do something else perverted.... as in raping children.. . OH? Is that why they PROTECTED, HID, DEFENDED, and MOVED child rapists to different parishes (AKA FRESH RAPING FIELDS) WOW Those "christian values" are quite strange... Almost NONEXISTENT !!!! There are no "babies" in the womb and many believers uphold the rights of women..... And atheists are not CHILD RAPERS... Maybe you need a course in FACT comprehension And that's worse than RAPING CHILDREN ? You're disturbingly callous about the RAPE OF CHILDREN... Might be time for a morality check. . Ugga DUH, neither Pelosi nor Biden have set themselves up as churches/religions as the Catholic Church has claiming they rule on what sin is and what god says , what morals are ...the Church CLAIMS it is good, it has set it self up as something good to follow......but HIDES it's SINS AND FAULTS instead of confronting them and ending the RAPE OF CHILDREN.... PAST TIME FOR THEIR MORALITY CHECK which they have failed over and over
FoxHastings said: ↑ LOL, EVERYONE'S "morals" are as ephemeral as farts in the wind...witness the Catholic Church...their "morals" change every time they want to do something else perverted.... as in raping children.. . OH? Is that why they PROTECTED, HID, DEFENDED, and MOVED child rapists to different parishes (AKA FRESH RAPING FIELDS) WOW Those "christian values" are quite strange... Almost NONEXISTENT !!!! There are no "babies" in the womb and many believers uphold the rights of women..... And atheists are not CHILD RAPERS... Maybe you need a course in FACT comprehension And that's worse than RAPING CHILDREN ? You're disturbingly callous about the RAPE OF CHILDREN... Might be time for a morality check. . Ugga DUH, neither Pelosi nor Biden have set themselves up as churches/religions as the Catholic Church has claiming they rule on what sin is and what god says , what morals are ...the Church CLAIMS it is good, it has set it self up as something good to follow......but HIDES it's SINS AND FAULTS instead of confronting them and ending the RAPE OF CHILDREN.... PAST TIME FOR THEIR MORALITY CHECK which they have failed over and over I NEVER said it did....their doctrine didn't change but their practices still supported CHILD RAPERS....they need a morality check Funny how that bit of imagination is your only response to my post
FoxHastings said: ↑ LOL, EVERYONE'S "morals" are as ephemeral as farts in the wind...witness the Catholic Church...their "morals" change every time they want to do something else perverted.... as in raping children.. . OH? Is that why they PROTECTED, HID, DEFENDED, and MOVED child rapists to different parishes (AKA FRESH RAPING FIELDS) WOW Those "christian values" are quite strange... Almost NONEXISTENT !!!! There are no "babies" in the womb and many believers uphold the rights of women..... And atheists are not CHILD RAPERS... Maybe you need a course in FACT comprehension And that's worse than RAPING CHILDREN ? You're disturbingly callous about the RAPE OF CHILDREN... Might be time for a morality check. .Ugga DUH, neither Pelosi nor Biden have set themselves up as churches/religions as the Catholic Church has claiming they rule on what sin is and what god says , what morals are ...the Church CLAIMS it is good, it has set it self up as something good to follow......but HIDES it's SINS AND FAULTS instead of confronting them and ending the RAPE OF CHILDREN.... PAST TIME FOR THEIR MORALITY CHECK which they have failed over and over I NEVER said it did....their doctrine didn't change but their practices still supported CHILD RAPERS....they need a morality check Funny how that bit of imagination is your only response to my post Says anyone who can't address the facts Are you supporting the churches non-existent "morals" on raping children?
Your "facts" have been addressed over and over again but you don't like the answers. You don't like hearing opposing views, we all understand that.
There is no such thing as "objective natural law". Laws are not natural. They were invented by human beings. They are not a part of the natural world and do not predate humanity. What we actually have, to phrase it in a similar way as you, is Artificial Subjective Law.
FoxHastings said: ↑ LOL, EVERYONE'S "morals" are as ephemeral as farts in the wind...witness the Catholic Church...their "morals" change every time they want to do something else perverted.... as in raping children.. . OH? Is that why they PROTECTED, HID, DEFENDED, and MOVED child rapists to different parishes (AKA FRESH RAPING FIELDS) WOW Those "christian values" are quite strange... Almost NONEXISTENT !!!! There are no "babies" in the womb and many believers uphold the rights of women..... And atheists are not CHILD RAPERS... Maybe you need a course in FACT comprehension And that's worse than RAPING CHILDREN ? You're disturbingly callous about the RAPE OF CHILDREN... Might be time for a morality check. .Ugga DUH, neither Pelosi nor Biden have set themselves up as churches/religions as the Catholic Church has claiming they rule on what sin is and what god says , what morals are ...the Church CLAIMS it is good, it has set it self up as something good to follow......but HIDES it's SINS AND FAULTS instead of confronting them and ending the RAPE OF CHILDREN.... PAST TIME FOR THEIR MORALITY CHECK which they have failed over and over I NEVER said it did....their doctrine didn't change but their practices still supported CHILD RAPERS....they need a morality check Funny how that bit of imagination is your only response to my post Says anyone who can't address the facts UNANSWERED : Are you supporting the churches non-existent "morals" on raping children? Says anyone who can't address the facts Are you supporting the churches non-existent "morals" on raping children?
FoxHastings said: ↑ LOL, EVERYONE'S "morals" are as ephemeral as farts in the wind...witness the Catholic Church...their "morals" change every time they want to do something else perverted.... as in raping children.. . OH? Is that why they PROTECTED, HID, DEFENDED, and MOVED child rapists to different parishes (AKA FRESH RAPING FIELDS) WOW Those "christian values" are quite strange... Almost NONEXISTENT !!!! There are no "babies" in the womb and many believers uphold the rights of women..... And atheists are not CHILD RAPERS... Maybe you need a course in FACT comprehension And that's worse than RAPING CHILDREN ? You're disturbingly callous about the RAPE OF CHILDREN... Might be time for a morality check. .Ugga DUH, neither Pelosi nor Biden have set themselves up as churches/religions as the Catholic Church has claiming they rule on what sin is and what god says , what morals are ...the Church CLAIMS it is good, it has set it self up as something good to follow......but HIDES it's SINS AND FAULTS instead of confronting them and ending the RAPE OF CHILDREN.... PAST TIME FOR THEIR MORALITY CHECK which they have failed over and over I NEVER said it did....their doctrine didn't change but their practices still supported CHILD RAPERS....they need a morality check Funny how that bit of imagination is your only response to my post Says anyone who can't address the facts UNANSWERED : Are you supporting the churches non-existent "morals" on raping children? Says anyone who can't address the facts Are you supporting the churches non-existent "morals" on raping children? A shaky immoral entity to support...the churches opinion on abortion is nullified by their encouragement and support of child rapers
Nope, not nullified. Why don't you try sticking to the topic, Pelosi claims to be devote Catholic yet has found out she can't be if she supports abortion. Good on the Church for finally taking a stand for Christian values.
