Another idiot weighs in. It's impossible to 'smear' racist bigots like most of the Orthodox and ultra-Orthodox most definitely are, and right wing Jews who run around yelling 'anti-semitism' hoping to shut down any real history of their racism and homicidal hobbies over the centuries is no better. Netanyahu really shamed himself and the Israeli govt. by refusing to condemn the Armenian massacres recently, same as many Jews did when they made apologia for their hero Kemal in the 1920's. Now the IDF is trying to get them into officer posts in the Army; they're just war crimes waiting to happen. Nobody is required to keep quiet because of the Holocaust nonsense and you can't hide behind it forever; even the Jewish scholars at Hebrew University refuse to pander to you and those who want to censor and rewrite Jewish history. Jews who are into denying their own history are no different than these assclowns and their stupid Hitler worship. More red herring bullshit, nobody brought those up but you, but since you went there yes you deserve to be criticized for those as well as your aid to your Muslim heroes and their ongoing raids on Christian countries, which is why nobody in their right minds ever trusted Jews in those days, and before the Muslim invasions Jews were very busy either massacring Christians are encouraging others to do so, so go bleed on somebody else's shoes, especially those ignorant of Jewish history after the Babylonian scams set up built on Ezra's racist cult creation. And of course Christians defending themselves from Jews and assorted bloodthirsty pagans is always frowned upon by the usual cretins who have some bizarre belief that Christians are supposed to allow themselves to be exterminated or something and get all butthurt that they defended themselves and finally started winning against the usual assortment of pagan vermin and Muslim butchers, the latter relying on Jewish soldiers and administrators to help them plunder Spain, along with North Africa and eastern Europe.
I've enjoyed the honor of hosting multiple Passover Seders at my home at the request of several Jewish friends and relatives so my opinions concerning the holocaust are in no way a reflection of any anti Jewish sentiment attributed to people who choose to view the WW 2 era more objectively and honestly. At the same time, I do not feel that the holocaust is exclusively Jewish "property" since so many people of so many religions, national and ethnic backgrounds suffered miserably during that tragic era. I think that it is a fair minded opinion that the suffering of any one group of people is no more profound than another simply because of their religious, ethnic or national background. Briefly put, all lives mattered equally yet grandiose monuments and grisly, taxpayer funded theme parks that are devoted only to the Jewish victims of WW 2 are abundant throughout the Western world. It is an undisputed fact that the German people have been unjustly slandered, extorted and vilified by what Norman Finkelstein calls "The Holocaust Industry" which is comprised of a few dishonest Jewish individual who have chosen to exaggerate and exploit what many historians regard as a footnote in the much bigger and more grisly WW 2 era. To be clear, these lowly con artists and grasping holocaust hucksters who engender growing "Holocaust Fatigue" are in no way representative of the remarkable Jewish people as a whole. Finally, I find it both revealing and distressing that some individuals are incapable of discussing WW 2 and / or the holocaust without sanctimonious rancor, slander and puerile insults. Thanks,
Thanks, Grau, for speaking up. You are lucky to be living in the US where they still tolerate free speech, not so in Germany and Canada.
Thank you, Jazz, I am tremendously grateful for that and the other endangered freedoms that too many Americans take for granted. Regrettably, enemies of the First Amendment frequently use "back door" censorship masquerading as "hate speech" to repress open and honest discussion of this so grossly misrepresented topic that unjustly slanders the German people. Thanks again...
Big hug to you from a grateful grandmother! * * * Something new came into my path, a book by Dr. Wilhelm Staeglich: Auschwitz - A judge looks at the evidence Have you ever heard of it or perhaps even read it? It comes as a pdf via https://wikispooks.com/w/images/e/ed/Auschwitz_-_A_judge_looks_at_the_evidence.pdf Here is the index: Foreword ........................................................................................... 1 Chapter One: The Making of A Myth .................................................. 3 Origins of the Auschwitz Myth ....................................................................... 4 Form and Content of the Auschwitz Myth ................................................... 9 Chapter Two: Contemporaneous Documents .................................... 25 Basic Documents from German Official Records ......................................25 Speeches and Other Public Statement by Political Leaders of the Third Reich..... 56 Contemporaneous Manuscripts and Private Papers.................................84 Photographic “Documents”...........................................................................99 Chapter Three: Testimony and Personal Accounts ......................... 105 “Eyewitness Accounts” of Auschwitz........................................................ 115 Allied “War Crimes” Trials ......................................................................... 121 The Further Evolution and “Securing” of the Legend .......................... 146 The Birkenau “Death Factories” As Portrayed In The Most Important “Eyewitness Accounts” ................................................................................ 170 The Cracow Memoirs of Rudolf Höss, Commandant of Auschwitz.... 193 CHAPTER FOUR: The Auschwitz Trial ............................................. 212 Legal Proceedings as a Source of Material for Historians: Fact and Fiction... 212 The Auschwitz Trial - A Show Trial?.......................................................... 225 APPENDICES I ................................................................................. 280 I Partial translation of Document NG-2586-G ..................................... 280 II My Impressions of the Auschwitz Concentration Camp in 1944* . 288 Ill An Exchange Of Correspondence between the Author and the Institute Fuer Zeitgeschichte ........................................................................ 290 IV Denial of Access to the Files of the Proceedings against Dr. Johann Paul Kremer 294 V Denial of Access to the Files of the First Frankfurt Auschwitz Trial ... 295 VI An Exchange of Correspondence between the Author and the IRC... 296 Dr. Staeglich himself spent some time in 1944 at Auschwitz as a German soldier.
nope; Many of these stories were made up after the Holocaust. Partly by Holocaust deniers themselves. Don't let that fool you. You can't refute the Holocaust with that.
One does not have to be a philo-Semite to oppose Holocaust denial. I myself don't give a damn about Jews and I reject the murderous terrorist state of Israel. Nevertheless, I consider Holocaust denial to be absurd, a mockery of the victims of the Nazi regime.
I haven't read one comment including my own that denies that the holocaust happened so the term "holocaust denier" is just a deliberately dishonest misnomer used to misrepresent the views of individuals who are capable of independent thinking. Please show just one anti German grisly fable that was fabricated by an independent thinker: ( "human skin lampshades", "human fat soap", shrunken heads, homicidal gas, electrified and steam chambers) Re: No, they were / are all Allied propaganda lies made up during the war to slander and demoralize the German people. For example, the "homicidal gas chamber" (1) and "vaporizer"(2) propaganda myths were fabricated during the war. Do you actually believe them? @Dayton3 actually believes the "human skin lampshade" etc fables. Do you? (1) “Auschwitz: Myths and Facts” http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml EXCERPT “Allied Propaganda The Auschwitz gassing story is based in large part on the hearsay statements of former Jewish inmates who did not personally see any actual signs of extermination. Their beliefs are understandable, because rumors about gassings at Auschwitz were widespread. Allied planes dropped large numbers of leaflets, written in Polish and German, on Auschwitz and the surrounding areas which claimed that people were being gassed in the camp. The Auschwitz gassing story, which was an important part of the Allied wartime propaganda effort, was also broadcast to Europe by Allied radio stations. [15] CONTINUED 15. Nuremberg document NI-11696. NMT "green series," Vol. 8, p. 606. (2) "Auschwitz: Myths and Facts" http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml EXCERPT "At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief US prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans had used a "newly invented" device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no trace left of them." [8] No reputable historian now accepts either of these fanciful tales."CONTINUED
I guess all those documents with Hitler and the rest of his cronies discussing how to exterminate the world of Jews all while approving production and activating extermination camps are garbage as well due to some internet conspiracy websites.
Yes, HC denial is obviously not only anti-Semitic but anti-German too. For example, Some "revisionists" tried to falsify Holocaust history with the "Lachout Document": https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lachout-Dokument It's a fake circular that Nazi extremists in Austria used to try to substantiate HC denial in 1987. I usually trust Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lampshades_made_from_human_skin
And you are lucky to be allowed to post in this American discussion board where the First Amendment to the Constitution ensures freedom of speech. It's not against the law here, to deny the Holocaust or to propagate Nazi and anti-Semitic hate speech.
Many thanks, again...from a " Scratch n' Dent" old Veteran, Yes, I'm familiar with excellent yet heavily repressed book. Among other things, he explains why the Holocaust Industry stubbornly refuses to budge from the "6 million Jews murdered" myth: EXCERPT "The six million figure was the basis of the "reparations" which the Federal Republic of Germany obligated itself to pay to the State of Israel and the Jewish international organizations, in addition to compensation payments to individual Jews, beginning in the early 1950's and continuing even today. For that reason alone, the six million figure, about which certain writers had already expressed wellfounded and earnest doubts on other grounds, could not be abandoned, even after it was established definitely that none of the camps in the German Reich proper were "extermination camps." CONTINUED (*) If it's not about the money, why, then is no amount of money ever enough? Best wishes, (*) "Full text of "Auschwitz A Judge Looks At The Evidence" https://archive.org/stream/Staglich...chwitz_A_judge_looks_at_the_evidence_djvu.txt
Farnsworth I will respond to certain words in your last post to me. J You stated: "Another idiot weighs in." When you begin your response with an insult all it shows is you compensate for your own feelings of inadequacy. Next you stated: " It's impossible to 'smear' racist bigots like most of the Orthodox and ultra-Orthodox most definitely are, and right wing Jews who run around yelling 'anti-semitism' hoping to shut down any real history of their racism and homicidal hobbies over the centuries is no better." Your statement repeats a smear. You do not know the opinions of any Orthodox or Ultra-Orthodox Jews. You have never spoken to any and yet you assignment them all the exact same thoughts. That is illogical and what a smear is. Next you engaged in the same smear as "right wing Jews". You claim they all make the accusation that someone is anti-semitic to shut down"real" history, etc. You do not know what any right wing Jew thinks. You have never spoken to any. No right wing Jew whatever that means in your mind, speaks for anyone else but themselves, something you clearly have a problem grasping. Next your version of history is not "real" but it is subjective and based on whatever you think you believe. You clearly can not enunciate it but throw out allegations such as "racism" and "homicidal hobbies". What makes your comments worth challenging is not just that you try spit out hateful stereotypes but the extent of idiocy. Jews do not define themselves or others as races. We would define others by their religion or ethnicity and the was of 3000 years ago between various ethnicities in and around the Arabian peninsula were not based on skin colour or physical characteristics, (race) but ethnic or religious designations. Real history? Clearly something you have no clue about. You stated: "Netanyahu really shamed himself and the Israeli govt. by refusing to condemn the Armenian massacres recently, same as many Jews did when they made apologia for their hero Kemal in the 1920's" You finally reference something and it appears take the supposed position of Netanyahu, the Israeli government and "many Jews" and claim they have a hero in Kemal? When you engage in generalizations that because the Israeli state has a specific foreign policy that does not recognize the Armenian genocide so that means you can claim all Jews do not recognize this genocide is the same kind of ignorance you display in all your responses you assign group thoughts to Jews. You assume we all think the same way. That assumption we all have the same negative thoughts because we are all Jews is what is called out as anti-semitism and its specific to you and in how you smear Jews. I like "other" Jews most certainly recognize the Armenian massacre. It is a tragic fact. Yes many of us Jews including Israeli ones (no we are not the same) want this issue settled. No Netanyahu did not shame me. Yes I disagree with the foreign policy of Israel which will not openly acknowledge the massacre for foreign policy reasons. Many of us Jews have an opinion on it and express it, i.e.,: https://jewishchronicle.timesofisra...join-together-to-mark-dark-period-of-history/ https://www.972mag.com/adls-armenian-genocide-recognition-sends-powerful-statement-to-israel/ https://www.thejc.com/lets-talk/all...-duty-to-recognise-armenian-genocide-1.516274 https://www.hsfk.de/fileadmin/HSFK/hsfk_publikationen/PRIF0620.pdf The practical reason Israel does not openly recognize the Armenian genocide is fear of safety of Jews in Turkey. Its also the same reason it can not come right out and say what it wants about Russia in Ukraine foe fear of backlash against Jews in Russia. See its easy for you to tell Israel what it should say but you won't be there if it triggers reactions in countries that then lead to the attack of Jews in that country. Get it clear-the fact that the state of Israel engages in certain foreign policy decisions is one thing-what any Jew thinks and believes is not the same thing necessarily. Get real with your simplistic labels. You stated: "Now the IDF is trying to get them into officer posts in the Army; they're just war crimes waiting to happen. Nobody is required to keep quiet because of the Holocaust nonsense and you can't hide behind it forever; even the Jewish scholars at Hebrew University refuse to pander to you and those who want to censor and rewrite Jewish history. Jews who are into denying their own history are no different than these assclowns and their stupid Hitler worship." Your comment makes no sense. Who is "they"? What war crimes are they planning? Who has told you to be quiet because of the holocaust? Who is hiding behind the holocaust? Which Jewish scholars are not pandering to me at Hebrew University of Jerusalem? (hint if anything the specific Professors who revise history and add editorialization are not at Hebrew University of Jerusalem where I studied at one point) (I also studied at 5 other universities that were not "Jewish", lol) Then you stated: "More red herring bullshit, nobody brought those up but you, but since you went there yes you deserve to be criticized for those as well as your aid to your Muslim heroes and their ongoing raids on Christian countries, which is why nobody in their right minds ever trusted Jews in those days, and before the Muslim invasions Jews were very busy either massacring Christians are encouraging others to do so, so go bleed on somebody else's shoes, especially those ignorant of Jewish history after the Babylonian scams set up built on Ezra's racist cult creation." Why would you think I support anyone killing anyone and which Muslims do you claim killed Christians? When, where, who? How did I help these Muslims? Next you stated: "And of course Christians defending themselves from Jews and assorted bloodthirsty pagans is always frowned upon by the usual cretins who have some bizarre belief that Christians are supposed to allow themselves to be exterminated or something and get all butthurt that they defended themselves and finally started winning against the usual assortment of pagan vermin and Muslim butchers, the latter relying on Jewish soldiers and administrators to help them plunder Spain, along with North Africa and eastern Europe." Again what are you referring to? What incidents are you referring to where "Christians" defended themselves against Jews and I guess now, "blood thirsty pagans"? What are you talking abouit? Do you even know? You make references with no specifics. With due respect you make disjointed accusations that appear created in your psyche but are not attached to any specific historic incident. At this point might I suggest you move on and respond to someone else. If you state something false I might challenge it, but as it is evident you have some specific anti Jewish political agenda to vent I am not really interested. I stand up when people say hateful and ignorant thinks about ANYONE. You assuming you know what I believe and think simply because I am a Jew is just recycled ignorance. Been there done that.
@ricmortis I keep hearing about "all those documents" from people who actually believe the outrageous and impossible stories marketed by the fraudulent Holocaust Industry but no one has been able to produce even one document "discussing how to exterminate the world of Jews" In fact: “To the present day a written order by Hitler regarding the destruction of the European Jewish community has not been found, and, in all probability, this order was never given.” - Walter Laqueur, Was niemand wissen wollte: Die Unterdruckung der Nachrichten uber Hitlers Endlösung (What Nobody Wanted to Know: The Suppression of News About Hitler’s “Final Solution”), (Berlin-Vienna, 1981), p.190 Holocaust hucksters like to deliberately mistranslate documents to better peddle their profitable anti German slander and also misuse the word "exterminate" which at the time meant: "drive out, expel, put aside, drive beyond boundaries."(1) Other holocaust hucksters like to claim that the Wannsee Conference was the foundation for the mythical plan to murder all of Europe's Jews but even mainstream holocaust pundits like Yahuda Bauer dismiss that myth as a "...silly story" (2) So, there is abundant written evidence of Stalin issuing execution orders and abundant written evidence of Eisenhower's murderous starvation orders as well as Churchill but absolutely no written evidence that Hitler ordered the mass murder of anyone in any of " all those documents". If there are any "conspiracy websites", they are the ones making physically impossible claims about being able to organize, "herd", gas, ventilate, empty, stack, cremate and pulverize the bones and teeth of 20,000 people(3) in one day using a 400 square foot homicidal gas chamber(4) . Ventilation of the rooms claimed to be homicidal gas chambers would have taken 3 - 4 hours and it takes about the same amount of time to cremate just one body. When you look at the physical realities like this you can see how the standard holocaust narrative is simply not possible. It is especially noteworthy that the captured documents reveal that Auschwitz - Birkenau - Monowitz only received enough coal to cremate about 70,000 people and yet there are no mass graves in the entire area. Where are the remains of 1.1 million people? Rejecting the standard holocaust narrative has nothing to do with anti Semitism or pro Nazism. It is simply looking objectively and honestly at one of history's most distorted tragedies. Thanks, (1) *exterminate (v.) 1540s, "drive away," from Latin exterminatus, past participle of exterminare "drive out, expel, put aside, drive beyond boundaries," also, in Late Latin "destroy," from phrase ex termine "beyond the boundary," from ex "out of" (see ex-) + termine, ablative of termen "boundary, limit, end" (see terminus). Meaning "destroy utterly" is from 1640s in English, a sense found in equivalent words in French and in the Vulgate; earlier in this sense was extermine (mid-15c.). Related: Exterminated; exterminating."CONTINUED * https://www.etymonline.com/word/exterminate (2) "The Wannsee Conference: Another Lie Crushed" http://barnesreview.org/the-wannsee-conference-another-lie-crushed/ EXCERPT "The actual minutes of the Wannsee Conference can be read in their entirety—in the original German here, In reality, the Wannsee meeting and its minutes do not contain a master plan to kill Jews; – Nowhere in the meeting’s minutes is genocide discussed, planned, proposed, or even suggested; As long ago as 1992(!), Bauer, speaking at a conference held in London to mark the fiftieth anniversary of the Wannsee meeting, told the audience that the claim that Wannsee was a “master plan” to kill Jews was nothing a but a “silly story.” Bauer’s remarks were reported in the Jewish Telegraphic Agency of January 23, 1992, and the Canadian Jewish Times of January 30, 1992." CONTINUED (3) "Ruins of Bunker 2" https://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/Tour/Birkenau/RuinsBunker2.html EXCERPTS "As the four photos above show, Bunker 2 was divided into four small rooms which had the capacity to kill 1,200 Jews at a time, according to Laurence Rees, the author of "Auschwitz, a New History." According to a book entitled "The Bombing of Auschwitz: Should the Allies Have Attempted It?" by Michael J. Neufeld and Michael Berenbaum, Bunker 2 was 56 feet long and 27 feet wide. Each of the four gas chamber rooms was 14 feet by 7 " CONTINUED (4) “THE CAMPS” https://www.bxscience.edu/ourpages/auto/2012/3/1/36224384/holocaust - the camps.htm EXCERPT “ One group went to the gas chambers within a few hours; these people were sent to the Birkenau camp, where more than 20,000 people could be gassed and cremated each day. “ CONTINUED
Telling the truth about history is neither anti Semitic nor anti German. When have I brought up the Lachout Document? Since you have been deceived about the "human skin lampshade" hoax, don't you wonder what other hoaxes you believe in so strongly?
Censorship only benefits tyrants, con artists, and those who have something to hide. Many have labeled your comments about Israel "anti Semitic hate speech". Do you consider that valid and if not, why?
Not only, it can also protect the dignity of the dead. Successful Holocaust denial is like killing the Nazi victims twice. BTW, HC denial is profoundly idiotic. Hardly any historical event has been researched as well as the Holocaust. They're almost right, more specifically it's anti-Zionist hate speech. In my opinion, "Israel" is a terrorist state. Only Russia is worse.
But HC denial means spreading lies about history. I wasn't deceived, it was a stupid mistake instead. Nazis didn't make lampshades from the skin of their victims, but they collected some tattooed skin parts. Presumably Himmler was planning an exhibition about "criminal Jewry". According to the Nazis, only criminals got tattoos.
Re: Isn't claiming that the Germans made lampshades out of human skin spreading lies about history? Re: You didn't come up with the "human skin lampshade" myth on your own did you? Therefore, you must have heard the myth from some lying website run by the fraudulent Holocaust Industry.(1), (2) If the "human skin lampshade" is a hoax you've believed, doesn't it make you wonder what other things are just deliberate hoaxes that you were told and still believe? I've repeatedly shown that the Holocaust Industry will conspire to tell lies about the holocaust simply to get even more money and engage in: "...a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."(1) For so much money, that means that thousands and thousands of "eyewitness accounts" are simply lies to get money. Honest historians "...warned that former camp inmates who lie are, in fact, very much more numerous than people generally suppose," (3) Re: Germany, like every other country, had to have someplace to confine its murderers, rapists, pedophiles, thieves, terrorists / resistance fighters, Communist rioters and genuine criminals so not every inmate was an innocent Jewish individual who was incarcerated for simply being Jewish. Most Jewish individuals who were arrested and sent to a work camp had some connection to the Communist Party. The Germans saw what happened when the Communists took over Russia (Holodomor, widespread torture by the NKVD etc). They also saw that about 80% of the Communist Party leadership in Russia was Jewish (4) so most all of the German Jews who were incarcerated had some connection to the expanding Communist Party. Meanwhile, most of the Jews under German control were allowed to remain free, join the National Socialist Party(5) or serve in Germany's military(6) with the possibility of rising to the highest ranks and / or being awarded some of Germany's highest honors. (1) "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE" http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED (2) "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION" http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298 EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”CONTINUED (3) "The Nuremberg Trials and the Holocaust" https://www.ihr.org/jhr/v12/v12p167_Webera.html Dubious testimony EXCERPT "French historian Germain Tillion, a specialist of the Second World War period, has warned that former camp inmates who lie are, in fact, very much more numerous than people generally suppose, and a subject like that of the concentration camp world -- well designed, alas, to stimulate sado-masochistic imaginations -- offered them an exceptional field of action. We have known numerous mentally damaged persons, half-swindlers and half fools, who exploited an imaginary deportation. We have known others of them -- authentic deportees -- whose sick minds strove to even go beyond the monstrosities that they had seen or that people said happened to them. Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz, who was himself interned in the ghetto of Kaunas (Lithuania) during the war, criticized what he called the "hyperhistorical" nature of most Jewish "survivor testimony." He wrote that "most of the memoirs and reports are full of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects, overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies." /61 Shmuel Krakowki, archives director of the Israeli government's Holocaust center, Yad Vashem, confirmed in 1986 that more than 10,000 of the 20,000 "testimonies" of Jewish "survivors" on file there are "unreliable." Many survivors, wanting "to be part of history" may have let their imaginations run away with them, Krakowski said. "Many were never in the places where they claimed to have witnessed atrocities, while others relied on second-hand information given them by friends or passing strangers." He confirmed that many of the testimonies on file at Yad Vashem were later proved to be inaccurate when locations and dates could not pass an expert historian's appraisal. " CONTINUED (4) “Putin: First Soviet government was mostly Jewish” https://www.jpost.com/jewish-world/...st-soviet-government-was-mostly-jewish-317150 EXCERPT “Russian President Vladimir Putin said that at least 80 percent of the members of the first Soviet government were Jewish.” CONTINUED (5) “List of Nazis of non-Germanic descent” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazis_of_non-Germanic_descent EXCERPT “Notably, there were several high-ranking Nazis of full and partial Jewish descent. “ CONTINUED (6) “Hitler’s Jewish Army” http://counterpsyops.com/2013/02/14/...-hitlers-army/ EXCERPT “Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called ‘full Jews’ served in the German military with Adolf Hitler’s knowledge and approval. In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded(*)Germany’s highest military honor, the Knight’s Cross. Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto police(Ordnungdienst)(*)and concentration camp guards(*)(kapos). So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all Jews, when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle against Bolshevism and International finance capitalism? “If the Jews were permitted to serve in Hitler’s armed forces then there could not have been a Holocaust.”CONTINUED
Don't try to fool me, bro. HC deniers mostly lie about the existence of homicidal gas chambers to exterminate Jews. HC deniers claim they didn't exist. We've already discussed that. Please look at our conversation several months ago. I will no longer respond to your questions, which have been answered several times in the past. Please come up with new ideas to support Holocaust denial. I'm sure there are some.
How have I tried to fool you? If anyone has fooled you it is the fraudulent Holocaust Industry that has repeatedly been caught spreading deliberate and profitable lies to deceive people like you and enrich their CEOs. Our discussion about homicidal gas chambers ended when I asked you to show a photo, blueprint or work order for just one authentic. homicidal gas chamber and you were unable to do so. Earlier, I showed how Wikipedia is at least heavily influenced by Zionist propagandists and therefore has an anti German - pro Holocaust Industry bias but you still consider it reliable. If all Jews were persecuted just because they were Jewish as claimed in the standard holocaust narrative, why were Jews allowed to hold high level positions in the National Socialist party and Germany's military? I even used your favorite source, the Zionist dominated Wikipedia to support the fact that Jews were high ranking N.S. members. They were allowed to live and rise through the ranks in spite of being of being Jewish. That, alone, debunks the "genocidal German" slander about à Final Solution. There's a different facet of the same topic I believe you were asking for.
Something else we never hear about, and it happened in May 1945, only 50+ or so kilometers away from my village: The sinking of the "Cap Arcona" and the "Thielbek", two remaining passenger ships of Germany, by Allied aircraft in the Baltic Sea near Neustadt. It was decided to evacuate some nearby concentration camps that were threatened by the arrival of the Russian hordes! I do remember how we were worried the "Iwan" would get to us as well, but it fortunately turned out that the "Amis" and/or "Tommys" stopped the Russians just before Luebeck. Anyway, here is the story of the sinking of the two ships full of inmates, guards and Mariners: http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v19/v19n4p-2_Weber.html
You repeat the same lies as you did back then. https://www.yadvashem.org/yv/en/exhibitions/through-the-lens/auschwitz-blueprints.asp
No, you fall for any junk pseudo history that the Holocaust Industry pours into your head. "Auschwitz Expert: Blueprints Found in Berlin Not of Death Camp" https://www.haaretz.com/1.5056721 EXCERPT "Prof. Robert Jan van Pelt, a internationally acknowledged expert on the planning and construction of Auschwitz, Van Pelt, an architectural historian, said that copies of the plans of the stages of the camp's construction were also in the archive of the Polish National Museum at Auschwitz and in an archive in Moscow. Van Pelt said he also doubted the authenticity of the signature of the SS chief, Heinrich Himmler, since such a high-ranking officer would not have signed such plans, and none of the copies he had ever seen bore such a signature. Van Pelt also said the words "gas chamber" on one of the drawings meant a room in which disinfection of clothing was done by means of gas, and that the sketch is not of an extermination camp established in 1942, but rather of earlier plans for a huge concentration camp in which a force of 130,000 slave laborers was intended to work. Van Pelt suggested the plans might be fakes, motivated by the lucrative market in Nazi memorabilia and documents."CONTINUED The only "gas chambers" were for defumigating old blankets, old, lice infested clothing etc. The Western Allies had similar "gas chambers" used for the same purpose. If you'll fall for the "human skin lampshade" ruse, you'll fall for any scam.
That's one of the many benefits of being one of the victors of any major conflict; you get to write the history and determine which stories get told and which are buried. Re: There was good reason to dread being "liberated" by the Communists. They even raped the inmates at Auschwitz. (1) (1) “Raped by their saviours: How the survivors of Auschwitz escaped one nightmare only to face another unimaginable ordeal” https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...aped-nightmare-faced-unimaginable-ordeal.html EXCERPT “The exact number of sexual attacks perpetrated by Soviet soldiers as they advanced through Germany, and then in the immediate aftermath of the war, will never be known, but the figure is certainly in the hundreds of thousands if not millions. The revelation that women who had already endured so much mistreatment in camps such as Auschwitz were then subsequently raped by their liberators adds a grotesque level of nausea to the story that did not exist before.” CONTINUED Thanks,
