Bullshit. . I provided a direct friggin link to the subject of the bullshit spin article you linked too. How stupid do you think people are? Oh I don't know the ENGLISH FRIGGIN LANGUAGE? 2. Heads-I-Win-Tails-You-Lose -- Demand that all evidence for the Holocaust be proved genuine (dodging any discussion of what that proof would consist of), and also demand that all your unsubstantiated assertions be proved false. That way, you never bear any burden of proof. (originally posted by Mike Stein) Yes there was fraud. But to suggest that makes the entire holocaust a hoax is a gigantic fallacy. Something that you seem to be facile with, tho. irrelevant but i get how you are grasping for disassociated connections. Its a mind set with many jew haters and holocaust deniers and I guess you. 53,000 jew hating nazi apologists in the world? Oh my that sure is the majority. But i do totally understand the fantasy world you live in, surrounded by hate and guilt motivated bullshit. Zundel's legacy. For such an apologist I can't believe you think the nazi scum didn't try to destroy the evidence and considering the subject matter, they'd be just about the only ones with the ability to document it. But these little matters of reality must be ignored because it interferes with the bullshit you are trying to peddle.
countless Nazis and other Fascists were convicted for the mass-murder of Jews and others, including by the use of gas chambers and firing squads. Evidence was presented, eye-witnesses testified: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_trials https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auschwitz_trial https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belsen_trial https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belzec_trial https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chełmno_trials https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dachau_trials https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majdanek_trials https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauthausen-Gusen_camp_trials https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamburg_Ravensbrück_trials https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sobibór_trial https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treblinka_trials now go ahead and tell us all the evidence was fake and all the witnesses were liars, including the folks who said the crimes were committed but they were just following orders so they should get some leniancy.
The Soviet styled Nuremberg trials proved nothing except that Germany lost the war to vengeful & creative victors who concocted a delightful propaganda scheme. I hope you realize that there was no "evidence" at the Nuremberg trials and it is widely known that the "confessions" were made after the various forms of torture to which the defendants were subjected. "The Greatest Swindle of All Time" http://chemtrailsgeelong.com/holohoax.html EXCERPTS" Travesty at Nuremberg Do the war crimes trials prove the Holocaust narrative? Consider the following quotations from Nuremberg-contemporary authorities and other sources: “The Tribunal shall not be bound by technical rules of evidence.... The Tribunal shall not require proof of facts of common knowledge but shall take judicial notice thereof.......” - From the Charter of the International Military Tribunal (a.k.a the Nuremburg Farce) "I thought at the time and still think that the Nuremberg trials were unprincipled. Law was created ex post facto to suit the passion and clamour of the time. The concept of ex post facto is not congenial to the Anglo-American viewpoint on law." - US Associate Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas, Nuremberg contemporary "The Nuremberg Trials have made the waging of an unsuccessful war a crime." - Field Marshal Bernard L. Montgomery, 1948 "... a fantastic desecration of the ideals of Western Civilisation, and appalling miscarriage of justice... a misuse of evidence for vicious ends, all of which will someday be exposed as a shocking travesty of high legal and moral principles." - Professor Henry M. Adams, Ph.D “About this whole judgment there is the spirit of vengeance, and vengeance is seldom justice. The hanging of the 11 men convicted will be a blot on the American record which we shall long regret.” - US Senator Robert Taft, 1946 "Chief US prosecutor Jackson is away conducting his high-grade lynching party in Nuremberg......I hate to see the pretence that he is running a court and proceeding according to common law. This is a little too sanctimonious a fraud to meet my old-fashioned ideas." - US Supreme Court Chief Justice Harlan Fiske Stone CONTINUED
that is a lie. countless documents were presented. eyewitness testimony was provided nevermind the fact that when the evidence was NOT there, people were aquitted. you're simply in full-on denial, for political reasons.
The only travesty is that holocaust deniers use every weasely tactic in the playbook to pump out utter bullshit. Their main play is to repetitively post long debunked garbage from the usual "revisionist" frauds, and gross distortions of the truth all the while displaying self righteous outrage at having their bullshit called out.
That's like calling Osama Bin Ladin a religious rights activist. But hey we both know they gotta scrape the bottom of the cesspool for their material.
Norman Finkelstein, who teaches at my alma mater, 100% knows and believes the Holocaust, the gas chambers, the death squads are totally true. its funny when Holocaust Deniers cite folks who think their ideas are pure garbage.
In other words, you agree with Finkelstein that the Holocaust Industry is a fraudulent entity and willing to perpetuate any lie that serves the financial and political aspirations? I have never denied that there were "death squads" on the Eastern Front as Stalin - the USSR refused to sign the Geneva Convention and used soldiers in civilian clothes (aka Partisans) more frequently than other combatants. I simply reject the fabricated "homicidal gas chambers" & "6 million Jews" myths promulgated by the fraudulent Holocaust Industry as there were only 4.5 million Jews under German control(1), (2) and the Germans never employed homicidal gas chambers. Of all the autopsies (1,000) done by Dr. Charles P. Lawson, not one was due to death by gas chambers. Even more revealing is the absence of "cherry red" skin color in any of the camp casualties that indicates death by gassing. The last commandant of Auschwitz, Richard Baer, denied ever seeing gas chambers at Auschwitz until his suspicious death in prison the night before he was to testify EXCERPT "Richard Baer was the last commandant of Auschwitz between May 1944, until the Germans evacuated the camp in mid-January 1945 and therefore the most important witness. Rivarol reported that he [Richard Baer] could not be dissuaded from his insistence that during all the time he was in Auschwitz, he had never seen gas chambers, nor had he known that any existed. “I was in Auschwitz from January to December 1944. After the war I heard about the alleged mass murders of Jews and I was quite taken aback. Despite all the testimony submitted and all the reports in the media, I know such atrocities were never committed. I never made a secret of my having been at Auschwitz. When asked about the destruction of Jews, I answered that I knew nothing about that. I simply marvelled at how quickly the populace was willing to accept and believe the stories about these mass gassings, without any apparent resistance.”CONTINUED(3) No wonder neither you nor anyone else can produce just one photo of one of the hundreds of homicidal gas chambers that must have existed to execute "millions" of people. (1) "The Wannsee Conference: Another Lie Crushed" http://barnesreview.org/the-wannsee-conference-another-lie-crushed/ EXCERPT – Nowhere in the meeting’s minutes is genocide discussed, planned, proposed, or even suggested; – The Wannsee meeting never discussed gas chambers, shootings, or any of the fantasies propagated by the exterminationists; – The Wannsee Minutes reported that there were only 4.5 million Jews under German control (yet 4.3 million Jewish compensation claims have been lodged against the postwar German government)CONTINUED (2) "CHAPTER 2: THE NUMBER OF JEWS UNDER NAZI CONTROL" http://thesixmillionfactorfiction.blogspot.com/2018/01/chapter-2-number-of-jews-under-nazi.html Section 9: There Were 4.5 Million Jews under Direct Nazi Control (3) "HOLOCAUST DEPROGRAMMING COURSE" https://holocaustdeprogrammingcourse.com/
Where are these phantom "holocaust deniers" that post "long debunked garbage"? You've yet to debunk anything I have ever posted & I've never denied that Germany's National Socialists interred the Roma, Communists, common criminals etc & many but not all Jews(1), (2) in work camps where, according to Arno Mayer, most died from "natural causes" & many were executed. The fact remains that typhus was the primary killer in the camps, not fictitious "gas chambers". The rest to your comment is simply more hollow slander about people somewhere else & has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Minions of the fraudulent Holocaust Industry keep repeating that their fictions are supported for "Mountains of evidence and tons of documents" but when asked to produce just one photo of a homicidal gas chamber or just one copy of a "Final Solution" Order from Hitler, that's when they either throw slanderous tantrums and/or claim "they were all destroyed", "Oh, that was lost" or some version of "the dog ate my homework" The simple fact is that you cannot produce a single photo of a homicidal gas chamber ( or blueprint) or "Final solution" Order(3) is because neither existed. (1)"List of Nazis of non-Germanic descent" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazis_of_non-Germanic_descent EXCERPT "Notably, there were several high-ranking Nazis of Jewish descent."CONTINUED (2) “Hitler’s Jewish Army” http://counterpsyops.com/2013/02/14/...-hitlers-army/ EXCERPT “Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called ‘full Jews’ served in the German military with Adolf Hitler’s knowledge and approval. In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded(*)Germany’s highest military honor, the Knight’s Cross. Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto police(Ordnungdienst)(*)and concentration camp guards(*)(kapos). So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all Jews, when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle against Bolshevism and International finance capitalism? “If the Jews were permitted to serve in Hitler’s armed forces then there could not have been a Holocaust.”CONTINUED (3) “To the present day a written order by Hitler regarding the destruction of the European Jewish community has not been found, and, in all probability, this order was never given.” - Walter Laqueur, Was niemand wissen wollte: Die Unterdruckung der Nachrichten uber Hitlers Endlösung (What Nobody Wanted to Know: The Suppression of News About Hitler’s “Final Solution”), (Berlin-Vienna, 1981), p.190
why the **** do you keep spamming this historically illiterate garbage???????? its been explained to you a million times that the 4.5 million figure does not include the Jews of eastern Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, Romania, Lithuania, Latvia, Belarus, Ukraine, Yugoslavia, and western Russia. All lands that were ruled by local Fascist regimes OR the Nazis, for at least 2 years. Bringing the number of Jews under Nazi/Fascist rule during WW2 to at least 9 million. Its funny how you accuse those who accept the Holocaust happened of dishonesty, even though you continue to post this dishonest crap.
and you fail. again. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...z-camp-found-in-germany-idUSTRE4A71SC20081109 The daily printed three architect’s drawings on yellowing paper from the batch of 28 pages of blueprints it obtained. One has an 11.66 meter by 11.20 meter room marked “Gaskammer” (gas chamber) that was part of a “delousing facility.”
funny, the Wannsee Conference states that deporting millions of Jews to Poland was but a step towards the final solution, and that any Jews who survived their work details would have to be dealt with accordingly, so as to prevent and army of strong jews from rising to take vengeance upon Germany Heinrich Himmler made it clear in a speech to the SS that the extermination of the Jewish people was occurring. now, @Grau, if Poland had more than 3 million Jews before WW2, and millions of Jews were deported there during the war, how come Poland only had around 300,000 Jews after the war? hmmmm? got a calculator bro?
https://dirkdeklein.net/2018/06/29/the-slow-death-in-the-gas-chambers/ https://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/Tour/Auschwitz1/Auschwitz08.html https://www.hdot.org/debunking-denial/ab10-gas-chamber-fake/ https://www.scrapbookpages.com/Mauthausen/Gas Chamber/GasChamberEntrance.html From a Greek eyewitness who transported the bodies from the gas chambers to the ovens: After … all naked, they went further into the death chamber in which the Germans had affixed pipes on the ceiling … so they would believe, that the bath was being prepared, with whips in their hands the Germans drove them closer and closer together, so that the largest number possible would fit, a real sardine tin of people, after which they hermetically sealed the door. The boxes of gas always came in cars from the German Red Cross with two SS people … It was the gas people that then poured the gas through the openings. – After a half hour we opened the doors and our work began. We carried the corpses of these innocent women and children to the elevator, which transported them to the room with the ovens, and there they put them in the ovens, where they burnt without the aid of fuel because of the fat that they had. – A person produced only about half an okka (640 grams) of ashes, bones that the Germans forced us to crush, to then press through a coarse sieve, and then a car picked it up and poured it into the Vistula River (actually the River Sola), which flows by in the area and thus they eliminate all traces. – https://nationalpost.com/news/world...tz-gas-chambers-hidden-for-more-than-70-years
This is from one of your own sources: EXCERPT "The Krema I gas chamber in the main Auschwitz camp, shown in the photo above, is a reconstruction which was done by the Soviet Union in 1947."CONTINUED(1) About a week ago, another Poster showed many of those same photos none of which could have served as homicidal gas chambers because they lack the extensive induction & exhaust ventilation required to introduce & exhaust the deadly cyanide gas. There are are also phony photos of "gas chambers" with loose fitting, residential wooden doors shown. The first drawing is for smaller, delousing chambers which are widely used to defumigate lice infested clothes & mattresses. Please note the small size of the rooms and extensive ventilation system. You see, Zyklon B pellets are not activated by simply dumping them on the floor from a rooftop. It is activated by a extensive ventilation system that blows hot air over the Zyklon B dissolving the pellets, rendering them into a gaseous state which is then blown into the room through clearly visible vents. Real homicidal gas chambers also have powerful exhaust vents which remove the toxic gas from the room but none of those exist in any of the myriad of photos you showed. I'm afraid that the account given by the Greek "survivor" is also fictitious on several counts including its suspicious origin: "'somebody' found it in the woods". Firstly, anyone entering an unventilated room full of cyanide gas after just a half an hour would be dead, almost immediately or at least sickened. Secondly, gas masks were issued to personnel who cleared the fumigation chambers yet this "survivor" makes no mention of them. Thirdly, the most revealing evidence that this is a fraudulent account is his claim that: "they (the bodies) burnt without the aid of fuel because of the fat that they had." Human bodies are about 75% - 80% water and require 4 times their weight in coal/coke to incinerate over a period of 3 - 4 hours. Probably the greatest flaw in the homicidal gas chamber myth is the fact that the skin on the gassed bodies would have been cherry red(2) yet this story teller makes no mention of that shocking & noteworthy fact nor do any other survivor accounts report that the bodies of gassed victims were cherry red which is the most obvious feature. Why are there no reports of seeing cherry red skin by any of the survivors? Finally, of all the autopsies done on the bodies of camp victims, not one showed death by gassing. Why? I don't doubt that many inmates were executed but there's absolutely no hard evidence of "mass deaths by gassing". (1)The Auschwitz Gas Chamber https://www.scrapbookpages.com/AuschwitzScrapbook/Tour/Auschwitz1/Auschwitz08.html (2) "Johns Hopkins" http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/our-work/publications/cyanide-fact-sheet Signs and Symptoms Other: acute lung injury, nausea and vomiting, cherry-red skin color.
One day, following the gassing of a transport of prisoners, Nyiszli was summoned by sondercommando working in the gas chambers who had found a girl alive under a mass of bodies in a gas chamber. Nyiszli and his fellow prisoners did their best to help and care for the girl but she was eventually discovered by SS guards and shot.[3] This incident was dramatized in the film The Grey Zone and Son of Saul.[citation needed] Nyiszli was appalled by the disregard for human life and lack of sympathy for human suffering shown by the SS guards and officers. But like his fellow captives, his actions were dictated by his tormentors, and he was forced to perform what he considered immoral acts. As he said: An event never before experienced in the history of medicine worldwide is realized here: Twins die at the same time, and there is the possibility of subjecting their corpses to an autopsy. Where in normal life is there the case, bordering on a miracle, that twins die at the same place at the same time? [...] A comparative autopsy is thus absolutely impossible under normal conditions. But in Auschwitz camp there are several hundred pairs of twins, and their deaths, in turn, present several hundred opportunities!"[4] During the roughly eight months he spent in Auschwitz, Nyiszli observed the murders of tens of thousands of people, including the slaughter of whole sub-camps at a time. These sub-camps held different ethnic, religious, national, and gender groups. For example, there was a Gypsy camp, several women's camps, and a Czech camp, among others. Each sub-camp usually housed between 5,000–10,000 prisoners, and some had even higher populations. Nyiszli was often told which camps were to be exterminated next as it would signal that an increased workload was imminent.[citation needed] When Nyiszli discovered that the women's camp in which his wife and daughter were kept prisoner, Camp C, was to be liquidated, he bribed an SS officer to transfer his wife and daughter to a women's work camp. Nyiszli remained in Auschwitz until shortly before its liberation by the Soviet army on 27 January 1945. On 18 January, Nyiszli, along with an estimated 66,000 other prisoners, was forced on a death march that took the prisoners into various parts of the Third Reich’s territories, including German occupied Poland (which was part of Greater Germany), Czechoslovakia, Germany proper, present-day Austria and further into various smaller concentration camps in Germany. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miklós_Nyiszli
@Grau, if Poland had more than 3 million Jews before WW2 and only around 300,000 after the war, where did the missing Jews go?
Firstly, I am reporting all off topic slander, insults & flame bait & not responding to their authors since so many participants seem incapable of civil, honest & constructive debate on this topic. I do not "deny" that the holocaust happened, I only reject the fraudulent embellishments that some people assert to make the holocaust seem somehow more special, horrific or profound in order to exploit it for financial and/or political purposes. WW 2 was grisly enough without fabricated stories about morbid props like electrified conveyor belts, homicidal steam, electrocution or phony gas chambers. Secondly, why do you keep focusing on Jewish lives as if non Jewish lives are somehow not as valuable? Thirdly, WW 2 caused members of all groups to flee, change their identities, convert to other religions, migrate to different countries including Palestine under the Haavara Agreement or even volunteer to serve in Hitler's armies as 2 million non Germans chose to do.(1) Finally, neither of knows exactly how many Jews chose to stay in Poland and be counted after the ravages of WW 2. All that is known is that there were only 4.5 Jews under German control (2), (3) at its highest point. As I've said before, just because the Germans occupied a country doesn't mean that they had complete control over all its territory or all of its population. (1) "Adolf Hitler’s Armed Forces: A Triumph for Diversity?" https://www.inconvenienthistory.com/1/3/3102 EXCERPTS " I ask those historians who still believe that Hitler and the Nazis were “white supremacists”: how do you account for the incredible degree of non-German and ethnic minority (i.e., 150,000 Jews and Jewish Mischlinge) collaboration during World War II? Again, some two million non-Germans helped the Nazis. The important thing to realize is that had the Nazis been as racist as most historians have argued, then they could not possibly have garnered the immeasurable level of support that they did."CONTINUED (2) "The Wannsee Conference: Another Lie Crushed" http://barnesreview.org/the-wannsee-conference-another-lie-crushed/ EXCERPT– The Wannsee Minutes reported that there were only 4.5 million Jews under German control (yet 4.3 million Jewish compensation claims have been lodged against the postwar German government)CONTINUED (3) "CHAPTER 2: THE NUMBER OF JEWS UNDER NAZI CONTROL" http://thesixmillionfactorfiction.blogspot.com/2018/01/chapter-2-number-of-jews-under-nazi.html EXCERPT Section 9: There Were 4.5 Million Jews under Direct Nazi Control CONTINUED
wrong again!!!!!! not sure why you insist on spamming this historically illiterate garbage. the 4.5 million figure doesn't include Nazi and Fascist rule over Romania, Hungary, eastern Poland, Yugoslavia, Vichy France, Slovakia, Belarus, Lithuania, Italy, western Russia and Ukraine...which brought more than 9 millions Jews under Nazi/Fascist rule during WW2
this is where @Grau's silly and historically inaccurate "only 4.5 million Jews under Nazi control" claim comes from. Its from the Wannsee Conference list of European Jews. He only looks at the top of the list, but not the bottom half. It purposefully and fraudulently fails to include the many millions of Jews in Hungary, Romania, western Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, Italy, Slovakia, Yugoslavia who fell under Nazi or Nazi-allied Fascist rule during the war. This was 4.7 million additional Jews, according to the Wannsee Conference. Total number of Jews under Nazi/Fascist rule during WW2 was 9.2 million.
Apparently pointing out the intellectual bankruptcy and the bigotted twisted bullshit of holocaust denial are an insult to those who not only believe in holocaust denial but actively promote it.
Firstly, no one here has denied that the holocaust happened. I only reject some of the fraudulent embellishments used by dishonest individuals to make an already horrific event even more grisly than it was for political or financial motives. Please explain how holocaust denial is any more egregious than the rejection of any other equal or greater mass killing. That, as I understand it, is the topic of this thread. What is it about only holocaust denial that inspires such virulent & insecure hate in people who believe the exaggerated standard holocaust narrative that is rejected by most of the world(1)? Finally, you claim that all the homicidal gas chambers were destroyed but the author of Post #451 posted several photos of morgues etc & claims they are homicidal gas chambers. Why would some of them be labeled as gas chambers if they're phony if not to deceive the public? (1) ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS” https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/
