That's your private definition. I never heard it elsewhere. Not even the craziest neo-Nazi believes that no Jews were killed under Hitler's reign.
No, it is not my "private definition". According to the ADL study that shows how few people have been duped into believing the fraudulent holocaust narrative, there are, indeed, some people who believe that the holocaust is a myth. Those people are actual "holocaust deniers". Not me. I simply know / believe that it has been grossly exaggerated. ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS” https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/ EXCERPT "Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts. Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth. Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust."CCONTINUED
I think you overestimate the statements of political organizations (like ADL). They are extremists from the other side of your extremism. Please leave the political warpath and enter the way of science and real history. Even if you find it difficult, it is the only way out of Holocaust denial madness.
You're ignoring all the proof that there were no gassings*. This might be why. http://zimmer.csufresno.edu/~davidz/ns4/f02/fallacies/newfallacylist.html (excerpt) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Appeal to Invincible Ignorance The Appeal to Invincible Ignorance is used when someone clings to an incorrect belief, even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. "I don't care what science tells us about the age of the Earth. I know it is 6000 years old, and you can't convice me otherwise, no matter what you say." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Then again, this might be why. https://www.clubconspiracy.com/counter-intellegience-tricks-and-techniques-t4702.html (excerpt) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues with denial they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect. Example: "Nothing you say makes any sense. Your logic is idiotic. Your facts non-existent. Better go back to the drawing board and try again." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- * http://politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/about-the-holocaust.552312/page-89#post-1072763242
The ADL study I cited simply confirmed what I have repeatedly said. There are some people who think that the holocaust is entirely made up; a "myth". Only people who hold that opinion are actually "holocaust deniers". I do not hold that position therefore you'll have to find a more honest and accurate label for me and the majority of of people who have done the research and proven that the standard holocaust narrative is fraudulent such as "revisionist". As far as science and real history, you seem to have already forgotten that you were the one who had to make up a very unscientific falsehood about bone grinding "pestles" as an explanation for the absence of skeletal remains at Auschwitz. That is neither science nor real history but it is typical of someone who is desperate to fabricate any sort of explanation for something that simply is not true. It is "real history" that there are nowhere near the skeletal remains of 1.1 million people at or near Auschwitz. It is "real history" that there is no written German order calling for the destruction of Europe's Jews.(1) It is "real history" that there is no mention on secret German radio transmissions of either a German genocidal agenda or killing people in homicidal gas chambers. (2) It is "real history" that Jews were members of the National Socialist Party (3) and Germany's military (4) It is "real history" that there is no Air Photo evidence to support the alleged mass murder of the Jews at any location in Europe occupied by the Germans during World War Two. (5) It is "real history" that 2 attempts to find the mass graves at Treblinka failed to find anything but a few marked Christian graves.(6), (7) I am not on a "political warpath" and throughout this and related threads have written nothing that is in any way anti Semitic or supportive of Neo Nazi sentiment. I am simply trying to look at WW 2 and the holocaust with an open mind and objective eye as I have drawn from decades of research and had the benefit of knowing, working with and living with honest holocaust survivors and WW 2 Veterans from both sides of the conflict. The only madness is willfully choosing to believe a fictional narrative that you are entirely unable to defend. (1) “To the present day a written order by Hitler regarding the destruction of the European Jewish community has not been found, and, in all probability, this order was never given.” - Walter Laqueur, Was niemand wissen wollte: Die Unterdruckung der Nachrichten uber Hitlers Endlösung (What Nobody Wanted to Know: The Suppression of News About Hitler’s “Final Solution”), (Berlin-Vienna, 1981), p.190 (2) “THE HOLOCAUST NARRATIVE” https://archive.org/stream/BreakingTheSpell_48/BreakingTheSpell-Kollerstrom_djvu.txt EXCERPT “In 1941, British Intelligence analysts cracked the German “Enigma” code. This undermined the German war effort—but also threw new light on day-by-day events in the Nazi concentration camp system. Between January 1942 and January 1943, encrypted radio communications between those camps and the Berlin headquarters were intercepted and decrypted. Oddly enough, historians have largely ignored the information furnished in these intercepts relating to “arrivals,” “departures,” recorded deaths and other events at these camps.The only reasonable explanation is that the intercepted data contra-dicts, even refutes, the orthodox “Holocaust” narrative. The information does not expose a program of mass murder and racial genocide. Quite the opposite: it reveals that the Germans were determined, desperate even, to reduce the death rate in their work camps, which was caused by catastrophic typhus epidemics.”CONTINUED (3) “List of Nazis of non-Germanic descent” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazis_of_non-Germanic_descent EXCERPT “Notably, there were several high-ranking Nazis of full and partial Jewish descent. “ CONTINUED (4) "The Jews in Hitler's Military" http://articles.latimes.com/1996-12-24/news/mn-12209_1_adolf-hitler EXCERPT "Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called 'full Jews' served in the military with Hitler's knowledge."CONTINUED (5) “Air Photo Evidence” http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndaerial.html EXCERPT "The Bottom Line To this day there is no air photo evidence to support the alleged mass murder of the Jews at any location in Europe occupied by the Germans during World War Two. Further, air photo analysis refutes the claim that the 'Nazis' had intended, at whatever time, to keep events in the alleged extermination camps secret. In many cases the air photos provide clear proof that some of the events attested to by witnesses, such as the destruction of the Hungarian Jews or the mass executions at Babi Yar, did not in fact take place. We may hope that the release of Soviet air photos dating from the time the camps were in operation will shed further light on these issues. The fact that these photos have not been published to date may already speak for itself. That the photos in western hands were altered in order to incriminate Germany, and were first published by the CIA, is also very significant indeed." CONTINUED (6). “Treblinka: Revealing the hidden graves of the Holocaust” https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-16657363 EXCERPT “Despite this, in a later statement they said they had discovered no mass graves.” CONTINUED (7) “Treblinka Ground Radar Examination Finds No Trace of Mass Graves” https://www.historiography-project.com/jhrchives/v19/v19n3p20_radar.php EXCERPT “A detailed forensic examination of the site of the wartime Treblinka camp, using sophisticated electronic ground radar, has found no evidence of mass graves there.” CONTINUED
First of all, no one here is denying that the holocaust happened. The term "holocaust denier" is a deliberately misleading misnomer that only applies to a very few people who think that the whole tragedy is a "myth" (1) A better question is: Why is the standard holocaust narrative so fragile that it cannot withstand honest examination and open discussion? Of all the topics in the universe and all the tragedies that have ever plagued mankind since the beginning of time, why is this one the only one that absolutely must be criminally off limits in about 16 alleged "democracies"? Apparently, you have looked at the exchanges in this thread, seen that you can't support the fraudulent Holocaust Industry's (2),(3) grossly inflated narrative and, now, insist that this thread be shut down because you are incapable of supporting the falsehoods you've been deceived into believing. I don't have a crystal ball but I suspect that you will find some excuse to avoid discussing this topic in a civil and substantive manner. Please remember that the truth welcomes honest examination and open discussion while a lie can only survive hidden behind draconian censorship laws that imprisons (or worse) anyone daring to refute the fraudulent holocaust narrative. (1) ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS” https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/ EXCERPT "Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts. Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth. Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust."CONTINUED (2) "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE" http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED (3)"HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION" http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298 EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”CONTINUED
Because some things are so monumentally evil that requiring people to "prove" they happened is basically a crime.
Hey Dayton3... This evidence has pretty much convinced me that the part about the gas chambers is a lie. http://politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/about-the-holocaust.552312/page-89#post-1072763242 I'd like to hear what you think about it.
That sounds precisely like the sort to evasive excuse a totalitarian government would use for justifying the persecution of its citizens for "thought crimes". Are you especially fond of totalitarian regimes that determine what topics its citizens may or may not discuss? It is a simple fact that both sides used propaganda to demoralize, deceive and slander their respective enemy and you've only been exposed to the propaganda generated by the American OWI (Office of War Information), the fraudulent Holocaust Industry(1), (2) and its complicit Hollywood - MSM. Hollywood's movie moguls have done as much to deceive gullible individuals as the Holocaust Industry. For example, Billy Wilder's "documentary" film, "Death Mills" accuses the Germans of making human skin lampshades, human fat soap, shrunken heads and other grisly nick-nacks. The goal of the Holocaust Industry and Hollywood to deceive the gullible is alive today as it was over 70 years ago but it's up to you to decide if you want to believe a profit hungry industry that has stooped so low as to defraud holocaust survivors and engage in "...long running scams"(1). The fact remains that the holocaust could not be as advertised if Jews were high ranking members of the Nazi Party(4) and also members of Hitler's military(5). (1) "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE" http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED (2)"HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION" http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298 EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”CONTINUED (3) "The Hollywood Directors Who Filmed the Liberation of Nazi Concentration Camps" https://hyperallergic.com/426644/lamoth-filming-the-camps-the-holocaust/ EXCERPT "George Stevens, John Ford, and Samuel Fuller, best known for their work in Hollywood, all documented the Allied liberation at the end of the war. But during this period of war, they were acting less as artists than as functionaries of US propaganda and information efforts, working for the US Armed Forces and Secret Services.CONTINUED (4) “List of Nazis of non-Germanic descent” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazis_of_non-Germanic_descent EXCERPT “Notably, there were several high-ranking Nazis of full and partial Jewish descent. “ CONTINUED (5) “Hitler’s Jewish Army” http://counterpsyops.com/2013/02/14/...-hitlers-army/ EXCERPT “Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called ‘full Jews’ served in the German military with Adolf Hitler’s knowledge and approval. In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded(*)Germany’s highest military honor, the Knight’s Cross. Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto police(Ordnungdienst)(*)and concentration camp guards(*)(kapos). So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all Jews, when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle against Bolshevism and International finance capitalism? “If the Jews were permitted to serve in Hitler’s armed forces then there could not have been a Holocaust.”CONTINUED
RE: About the Holocaust SUBTOPIC: National Defense Building ⁜→.Grau, et al, BLUF: When evaluating how "OUR" Political-Military (POL-MIL) senior leadership functions, you have to think like them. And that simple task is monumentally difficult. How we look at our leadership, you have to adopt a tier level analysis (and the POL-MIL Leadership hates that) by perspective on the objectives. (COMMENT) Compound question. ◈ Regimes are neither good - nor bad. It is the Regime Leader either embark on an improvement journey for the best interest of the nation, the people, and the development projects that will make it viable and competitive in the areas of political stability, industrially, commercially. Military staffs play, follow the leader. The SECSTATE and stay have become vary adapt as three games: 3 Blind Mice, Pin the Tail on the Donkey, and Yes Sir Three Bags Full. ◈ Back in the '70s really, over-classification - but periodically they review material on a large scale for declassification. There was a certain amount of OPENNESS. And before the 911 Incident, there actually was knowledge within the government that understood classification by compilation. They paid almost no attention to it. Today, the pendulum has swung back in the direction of Opaque release. The Marking guide today is about 28 pages long. And there are still markings redacted (withheld from the public). Today, there is redaction by intimidation on topics that could embarrass the government. (COMMENT) The Office of War Information (OWI) was retired just after WWII (SEP 1945) ended. The OWI stood down before the Nuremberg trials were assembled. (COMMENT) I know that you already believe certain things. But we must not forget that Belief is arguably the most powerful and potent force in human behavior. And that is a formidable weapon. Most Respectfully, R
Hey RoccoR... This evidence convinced me that there were no gassings at Auschwitz. http://politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/about-the-holocaust.552312/page-89#post-1072763242 Do you think it proves that there were no gassings at Auschwitz?
No, it means a lot. Also, the fact that Jews were high ranking members of the National Socialist Party also means that the standard holocaust narrative is fraudulent. For the sake of clarity, my understanding of the standard holocaust narrative is that about 6 million Jews and 5 million others were killed in gas chambers and by other means as part of a genocidal German agenda to kill all of Europe's Jews. However none of these things are true as there is no order from Hitler for the extermination of anyone(1) nor is there anything in secret German radio transmissions calling for the extermination of Europe's Jews or homicidal gas chambers. (2) This means that the thousands of innocent German POWs who were tortured and killed at the Nuremberg and subsequent "Trials" were simply murdered by the vengeful Allies only for loosing the war. Meanwhile, countless phony "holocaust survivors" are getting rich telling lies to gullible rubes about crimes and atrocities that never happened.(3) To give you an idea of how profitable this holocaust nonsense has gotten, even "Holo-Porn" has become popular in Israel of all places (4) (1)“To the present day a written order by Hitler regarding the destruction of the European Jewish community has not been found, and, in all probability, this order was never given.” - Walter Laqueur, Was niemand wissen wollte: Die Unterdruckung der Nachrichten uber Hitlers Endlösung (What Nobody Wanted to Know: The Suppression of News About Hitler’s “Final Solution”), (Berlin-Vienna, 1981), p.190 (2) “THE HOLOCAUST NARRATIVE” https://archive.org/stream/BreakingTheSpell_48/BreakingTheSpell-Kollerstrom_djvu.txt EXCERPT “In 1941, British Intelligence analysts cracked the German “Enigma” code. This undermined the German war effort—but also threw new light on day-by-day events in the Nazi concentration camp system. Between January 1942 and January 1943, encrypted radio communications between those camps and the Berlin headquarters were intercepted and decrypted. Oddly enough, historians have largely ignored the information furnished in these intercepts relating to “arrivals,” “departures,” recorded deaths and other events at these camps.The only reasonable explanation is that the intercepted data contra-dicts, even refutes, the orthodox “Holocaust” narrative. The information does not expose a program of mass murder and racial genocide. Quite the opposite: it reveals that the Germans were determined, desperate even, to reduce the death rate in their work camps, which was caused by catastrophic typhus epidemics.”CONTINUED (3) "Could there be anything more twisted than these Holocaust fantasists? How more and more people are making up memoirs about witnessing Nazi crimes" https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...le-making-memoirs-witnessing-Nazi-crimes.html EXCERPT "Unfortunately, despite all these examples, publishers are still wilfully selling suspect memoirs based on the Holocaust and the war. No doubt there will be more books of this type. With publishers fighting it out to sell the latest tale of World War II derring-do, or Holocaust misery, it seems unlikely this is a genre that will die out. Anybody reading these books should stop and ask themselves whether what they hold in their hands is, in fact, true." CONTINUED (4) "Israel's Nazi-porn problem" https://www.salon.com/2008/04/11/stalags/ EXCERPT " Yet the newsstands in the Tel Aviv bus station sold racks of semi-pornographic pulp novels known as "Stalags," whose utterly implausible, Penthouse Forum-meets-Marquis de Sade plots ventured into the most forbidden terrain imaginable. Stalags all followed essentially the same formula: An American or British World War II pilot (generally not Jewish) is shot down behind enemy lines, where he is imprisoned, tortured and raped by an entire phalanx of sadistic, voluptuous female SS officers. His body violated but his spirit unbroken, the plucky Yank or Brit escapes in the end to rape and murder his captors." CONTINUED
Thanks for responding. For the sake of simplicity, I will only comment on issues related to the topic of this thread. Re: Just because the OWI officially closed its office doesn't mean that the deluge of propaganda does not continue via the fraudulent Holocaust Industry(1), (2), its complicit MSM, Hollywood(3), (4) and brainwashing in America's schools(5), (6). Re: My belief that the standard holocaust narrative is largely fraudulent is based on a fair amount of research over the decades and having known, worked with and lived with honest holocaust survivors, German civilians who suffered under Allied atrocities and WW 2 Veterans from both sides of the conflict. Thanks, (1)"17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE" http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED (2)"HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION" http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298 EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”CONTINUED (3) "The Hollywood Directors Who Filmed the Liberation of Nazi Concentration Camps" https://hyperallergic.com/426644/lamoth-filming-the-camps-the-holocaust/ EXCERPT "George Stevens, John Ford, and Samuel Fuller, best known for their work in Hollywood, all documented the Allied liberation at the end of the war. But during this period of war, they were acting less as artists than as functionaries of US propaganda and information efforts, working for the US Armed Forces and Secret Services.CONTINUED (4) "THE FACT SPIELBERG SUPPRESSED IN SCHINDLER'S LIST: The Commandant of Krakau-Plaszow (Amon Goeth) Was Arrested by the SS for Brutality against Inmates" https://www.revisionisthistory.org/revisionist6.html EXCERPT "This vital, exculpatory information has been censored by Spielberg in order to maintain his propaganda depiction of the German military in the worst possible light. The fact that the SS, under orders from Heinrich Himmler, attempted to operate the concentration camps (KZ) in a humane manner, in part by prosecuting, jailing and even executing brutal Nazi concentration camp personnel, has been nearly completely suppressed in much of the discussion of the history of World War Two. One of the key officers who was instrumental in Himmler's campaign to attempt to ensure the human rights of KZ inmates, was the heroic and incorruptible SS Judge Konrad Morgen."CONTINUED (5) "Holocaust Education: Passing on the Knowledge" http://www.claimscon.org/what-we-do/allocations/red/education/ EXCERPT "The Claims Conference funds numerous organizations that train educators from around the world, including in countries with tiny Jewish communities. Claims Conference allocations provide scholarships to allow needy students from around the world to visit sites of Nazi atrocities through organizations such as Birthright Israel, Israel Experience, and the Jewish Agency for Israel." CONTINUED (6) "On Remembrance Day, US House overwhelmingly passes Holocaust education bill" https://www.timesofisrael.com/on-re...erwhelmingly-passes-holocaust-education-bill/ EXCERPT "The legislation was widely supported by the organized American Jewish community. “We are pleased that the House has taken action today, on International Holocaust Remembrance Day, to ensure that the lessons of the Holocaust will be passed from one generation to the next,” said Jonathan Greenblatt, head of the Anti-Defamation League. “We look forward to this law’s swift passage and to working closely with teachers and districts across the country to ensure that Holocaust education is uniform and consistent across the country.”CONTINUED
I am not a historian, just an interested layman, in this sense, my unscientific statements should be understood. It's an error of HC deniers to use testimony from people like me as evidence that the SHN is wrong. I said hat many times before. Nope, but these things seem to be crucial to Holocaust denial as you advocate it. Have you ever wondered why you believe this without any doubt? Your claims instantly reject much stuff that supports the SHN, but you believe the stories of the HC revisionists completely uncritically. Why don't you see them as critical as the statements of real historians? What did they do wrong that revisionists didn't?
Because there simply is no such proof. Nazis killed Jews and other HC victims by poison gas and other means. There is plenty of evidence of this.
This is the proof. http://politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/about-the-holocaust.552312/page-89#post-1072763242
Nope, he didn't. Grau brought some tales of Holocaust deniers and he's constantly offended why I call him an HC denier because of that. BTW, HC deniers are funny. If I were HC denier, I would stand by it. And also as an HC advocate, I would say that Hitler did right to exterminate the Jews, the evil anti-race.
This is some stuff to support the SHDN (Standard Holocaust Denier Narrative). Doesn't make sense as raw material without explanation. Would you please tell me in a few sentences, why the Nazis gassed nobody? We can discuss this based on historical facts.
The answer to the question, "How do we know that the Nazis gassed nobody?" is this info. http://politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/about-the-holocaust.552312/page-99#post-1072866555 The answer to the question, "Why did the Nazis gas nobody?" is probably that it never occurred to them to do so; that story was made up by Zionists. https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=The+Zionist+Story&FORM=HDRSC3 Benjamin Freedman's 1961 Speech at the Willard Hotel (Complete) https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...r+Declaration+-+Benjamin+Freedman&FORM=HDRSC3
