AHCA Must Be Passed

All it did was shift the blame for the failed notion of a big government run healthcare regime from Democrats to Republicans. Obamacare made the Democrat Party irrelevant. They shot themselves in the foot, so why take the gun away?

 

Simple answer....freedom of choice. You or the "government" decide what I need to do for the "good" of society. Sounding very Animal Farmish.
There are many things that can effect the populace as a whole that people reject every day. A recent travel limitation (billed as a ban) comes to mind. The government demands this "to keep us safe" and the people say no it's our choice....we believe we are safe.
Here's the difference for me on these 2 examples......Insurance is something that costs me! You are mandating people pay or else. Limiting people admittance to the country for a few months cost me nothing and if written correctly effects no American Citizens.

 

What kind of numbers you are talking about?
If government runs a business, it has constitutional responsibility to allow everyone to buy the services.
Plain and simple.
I really do not understand why people demand all kind of stupid and unequal rights for all kind of artificial groups but never even talk about their own health care.
My theory is that both parties democratic and republicans are thieves, but they skillfully brainwash the whole population.

 

That is absolutely right.
But if government already mandatory takes money from our pocket, to run health insurance business why should not we be part of it. I don't think it is a right choice to allow government steal your money and give you nothing in exchange.

 

#1 The united states government does not run any business, nice try.

#2 you not understanding the facts of medicaid seems like a personal problem...A buy in is not an option, as that in it self would negate the entire purpose..for instance what would the price be?..hell why would there even be a price if others get it for being unable to contribute? you know those artificial qualifying groups like baby's, disabled, etc? Should they as well be obligated to go out and work to provide a fair share, if others have to "buy in"

 

reply #1 is outright lie from your side, the Medicare operates as a business.
reply #2 the price is negotiable, it is a government responsibility to reduce price of medical care. Government have a power to allow more licensed physicians and hospitals to operate, t so the price will be reduced naturally by market forces.

 

Does it now?...hmmm what are the profit margins?

Are you advocating single payer..if so. ok.

 

not in rural america, where obamacare premiums are devastating middle class america

 

I'm glad you've had happy endings dealing with the UK's healthcare. I have several lifelong friends who live there that as subjects of the crown, have very little good to say about it.
Other than that, I agree with much of your assessment of the insurance co's & the gaming of the system.

 

Why do you believe in passing terrible bills? This bill breaks Trump's promise to cover everyone with much lower costs and better coverage and not cut medicare. This plan screws over the sick, old, and poor, and uninsures 25 million people in order to give tax cuts to the rich.

 

I'm not saying that it has no problems. It has the same problems as any health service- limited resources, sometimes incompetent or corrupt doctors, nurses or administrators, and some counterproductive regulations, but there is nothing like the insurance company hellhole that greets sick people when they need help.

 

Lol...And now those fools are finding out that trumpcare would be even worse.

 

A handful of courageous members of the Freedom Caucus saved the Republican Party from failure had they passed this bill. The Paul Ryan bill did not meet the campaign promise made to repeal the current healthcare law. Put forward a bill meeting that promise and hold politicians to their campaign promises.

Repeal the current healthcare law then wait. Take the necessary time to formulate a new plan that will work for all U.S. Citizens.

 

Sorry, but as a, "Moderate," I have to admit that the AHCA amounted to nothing more than putting a new coat of paint on Obamacare.

So passing a bad plan to replace a bad plan, or keeping the bad plan, were the two choices.

And your statement, "Even though the bill sucks. it must be passed," is an indication that you are buying into an irrational talking point. At least Obama lied through his teeth to get Obamacare on the books.

The DNC/GOP elitist cooperative spent a fair amount of money on this. The writing is on the wall, but you never seem to hear liberals talking about the lies behind why Obamacare is doomed to failure.

Wouldn't it be great if both bases demanded a bill that would really work? No ACA and no AHCA. Just a bill that would really work ! Is that too much to ask? In the DC mindset, it probably is.

 

Which principles of conservatism are being betrayed? Do the principles of conservatism touch on the provision of health care or is it more to do with the economic side of the issue? I’m assuming that conservative principles would not go to the issue of patient and doctor, preferring such matters to be between those individuals. Therefore it must be the economic side of it. What does conservatism say about paying for health care? Does it say that the individual must pay directly or forego health care? What if someone was struck down by a sudden and life-threatening illness? Should they be treated regardless of ability to pay for treatment or should they be denied treatment because they can’t pay for it?

 

To the surprise of no one, the republicans fail even though they hold the house and senate. You people didn't actually think they would be able to handle being in charge did you?

 

more Americans did vote for Clinton....

Trump won the electoral college, not the popular vote

 

Thee was also a campaign promise to insure everyone at lower cost. THAT was the one that got Trump votes.

Trumpcare did neither in fact it did the opposite

 

They did vote for Clinton

 

not even close to factual

 

I fail to see the advantage in intentionally doing the wrong thing. While I consider Obamacare to be a disaster, replacing it with another disaster would be a stupid and willful betrayal of the objective, not "keeping the promise". The promise was that the replacement would be much better. Perhaps if our congress, who truly lacks the grasp of most problems and solutions, were to gather a panel of experts from the medical field and actually let them suggest solutions- they might find one. Unfortunately they are not smart enough to realize that they aren't smart enough to do that.

 

and Obama and pals, did nothing to help and only made things worse

 

Assumes extremist alt right factoids not in evidence.

Support for Obamacare is now at record highs!

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/02/23/support-for-2010-health-care-law-reaches-new-high/

 

LoL wtf? polls don't mean crap. The government cant afford this stupid sack of lies

 

We the People can't afford the lies of Trump and the extremist alt right.