Alec Baldwin kills one,inures another with Prop Gun on set.

Thanks PL-Fl. That's a huge thing to forget. Tragic.

Thanks tri. Sad for everybody involved.

 

Where is it REQUIRED that a person has to practice gun safety?

 

Let me rephrase. Are actors exempt from killing someone out of neglect of a firearm?

 

Gun owners need to know how to operate their firearms. In other situation, when people don't own guns, like firearm safety classes, military basic training, there are experts who are tasked to make sure accidents do not occur. If a firearms instructor hands a loaded gun to someone who never held one before and said its a safe and empty gun, then he would be held responsible if there was an accident. At movie sets, actors are paid to act and handle prop-guns, and this can include dozens of actors (even hundreds) some of whom are children and those who don't know anything about guns, so it makes sense they hire someone who is in charge of firearm safety, including checking the firearms and instructing the actors. In this case there was such person, but she did not do het job.

Seems common sense to me, but it is what it is. If the actor faces charges, then so be it. It the directors or the 24 yt old armorer face charges, then so be it.

 

When checking if a gun is loaded with live bullets how can you tell if the bullets are live or blanks without removing all the bullets? An actor will be given a gun loaded with blanks; should he remove every bullet to check?

 

I think right now you have to read what is there and draw your own conclusions.

 

Its not just blanks, they also use look-alikes, which are designed to look exactly like real ones.

 

I don't know the answer to that. My question is about your statement that actors should not be exempt from gun safety knowledge that is required of everyone else.

I'm a former cop and I had to take gun training, naturally, but I didn't need to take that as a civilian to get a FOID card or weapons...so, I'm trying to understand your original statement.

Where is that the requirement?

 

P.S. I don't really have an opinion on how/why celebrities are given carte blanche to basically do anything. I think it's disgusting that so many people are "star struck" and think someone is a "good" person just because they are good thespians. That's bovine excrement (I borrowed that phrase from @Derideo_Te. So, as a society, we need to get over this idea that people doing their jobs means they have certain values, morals, ethics and integrity. "Celebrity justice" exists solely because of this false elevation. It's actually beyond stupid, IMO.

 

Maybe you didn’t quite catch what I was putting down. I said let me rephrase it because I was obviously wrong in my phrasing of the question. In essence all Americans are held liable for their actions with a gun they are handling. With the obvious exemptions of the rich. Not just actors but the rich.

 

So even if an actor is given a gun that he was told had blanks a gun safety check would be pointless as he would not be able to tell if they were blanks or live. So he would have no choice other than take the word of the armourer. Is a gun with just blanks referred to as a "cold gun"?

 

Is taking the trouble to do so worth the life of a human being? To some it is. To others it isn’t.

 

I've been told that blanks look the same as live rounds so how would an actor or anyone else know the difference? Then what about prop weapons such as gattling guns, or machine guns which can fire hundreds of rounds, live or otherwise, per minute

 

Here are blank and “real” 9mm rounds.



There are no blank rounds that resemble live rounds. The end of a live round has a projectile (bullet) whereas a blank round will have a crimped casing or a flat disk “cap” in the place of a projectile.

It would take more time to verify safety of a large magazine or a belt of ammunition. Again you have to ask what inconvenience a life is worth.

 

It has been mentioned several times that movie sets also use look-alikes which are designed to look exactly like live rounds. You can see some in the picture of the armorer who poses with guns (possibly loaded) and a belt filled with look-alikes

 

Those are not blanks and can be made to be easily distinguishable from live ammunition.

 

One rather obvious question is whether or not he did this with one shot..... or two.... or three shots?????

 

I specifically said they are look-alikes. There are live rounds, blanks, and look-alikes.

Apparently just one shot.


Look-alike round look just like the real thing, except they replace gun powder with sand.

 

Looks like there were holes in the side to signify rounds were dummy bullets? Anyway, asst director Halls said he did not check every round after being handed the gun by Gutierrez-Reed.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...ctions-most-of-the-time/ar-AAQ1jz2?li=BBnb7Kz

My first time linking something, so hopefully it is ok.

 

I responded to a post about blanks. Try to keep up.

 

You can't see the gun powder.

I guess it's possible the sand ads weight.

 

The link worked. You done good!

 

It doesn't, no. Going in, every dreamer knows they have very little chance of earning enough to just cover rent and groceries ... much less a 'life's income'. I would hazzard the guess that 0% get into the game for the money.

If money was their motive, they'd pick something way more reliable than acting.

 

'Lead projectile' recovered from director's shoulder as evidence in fatal shooting on Alec Baldwin film set, authorities say

"Cinematographer Halyna Hutchins was fatally shot Oct. 21 when actor Alec Baldwin fired a prop gun on the set of the movie "Rust" in Santa Fe, N.M. An affidavit filed by a sheriff’s office detective stated that assistant director Dave Halls handed Baldwin the weapon after mistakenly describing it as a “cold gun,” a term meaning it did not contain a live round."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/arts...Q.I8H-yabAFK0fGkT1j7cPR1wSSe0wFx2XqrvXoqkIh_s

 

That's why armourers are hired, to make sure that never happens.

If they'd wanted only 'basic' safety, they'd have had the regular props person manage the weapons.