America’s Dependent Class – The cause of Political Decay in Our Society

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  1. Trollll Out

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    Let’s be honest. It’s relatively easy to do well in American society – far easier to do so than in any other major region of the world. I think we need to address this reality and confront the ungrateful attitude of those who are being propped up by the tax base. We’ll start with some basic facts to dispel some common myths:

    The “Poor”:
    * Forty-three percent of all poor households actually own their own homes. The average home owned by persons classified as poor by the Census Bureau is a three-bedroom house with one-and-a-half baths, a garage, and a porch or patio.
    * Nearly three-quarters of poor households own a car; 31 percent own two or more cars.
    *Eighty percent of poor households have air conditioning. By contrast, in 1970, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.
    *Ninety-seven percent of poor households have a color television; over half own two or more color televisions.


    The “Poor” compared even to Western Europe:
    *The average poor American has more living space than the average individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens, and other cities throughout Europe. (These comparisons are to the average citizens in foreign countries, not to those classified as poor.)
    * Poor Americans eat far more meat, are more likely to own cars and dishwashers, and are more likely to have basic modern amenities such as indoor toilets than is the general West European population.
    *Take note that this study was published in 2007, so it’s likely things have gotten even better for our “Poor”. Source:
    https://www.heritage.org/poverty-an...cas-poor-examining-the-plague-poverty-america


    Meanwhile, let’s take a look at what’s being contributed by the lower class:

    Income tax statistics – take a look at the following graph showing the Federal tax revenues broken down by quintile:

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    *The bottom 40% are paying less than 5% of total revenues
    *The bottom 60% are paying less than 15% of total revenues
    Source:
    https://www.pgpf.org/budget-basics/who-pays-taxes


    The Outcome:

    The bottom 60%, who are far better off than the vast majority of the rest of the world (even America’s “Poor”) are barely contributing anything. In the meantime, they can vote in more freebies for themselves. Here are current suggestions being supported by the left to increase government spending (which will, of course, be paid by the higher income tax brackets):

    - Free Government Provided healthcare
    - Free higher-level education
    - Free miscellaneous items – ranging from cell phones to, believe it or not, cars!

    And thus, it’s illustrated how all democracies must eventually come to an end – when the public realizes it can vote itself free stuff, in return for no contribution. The major sign of a democracy ending like this is twofold:
    - The populace generally is very well off, even when compared to just 50 years ago
    - Nevertheless, the Politics of Envy come to the forefront. I.e. More is never enough.

    TLDR: If you’re “Poor” (even more-so Middle Class) in America, make like the Buddha, realize you have it pretty good, and show some gratitude for your situation. Stop demanding more free stuff – it’s highly likely you have more than enough compared to the Real poor in the Third World. It’s disgraceful to equate your situation with theirs. No Strawmen please, thanks.
     
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    So your argument is the poor are doing too well so they need tp be taxed more?
     
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    Just show some gratitude I think would be good enough, and stop demanding more freebies (such as Higher Level education).

    edit: Not that I expect that to happen because, you know, the Politics of Envy and stuff...
     
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    They have trained to be dependent on the government by democrats buying their votes.
     
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    I don't know if they've been 'trained by democrats' as much as it being a more natural process - when you see huge surpluses in a society people will find ways to minimize the effects of those surpluses. I.e. because wealth is a relative term and there's always going to be a proportion of the population that is never happy (because they are eternally resentful, regardless of what they have). Sad.
     
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    One issue where I disagree with Conservatives 100% is their attacks on disabled people who can not support themselves. In USA there are 44 million people with mental disability.

    I have Moderate Autism and Moderate Depression.
     
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    The more you give people the more they want. When you earn everything you have you appreciate it no matter how simple it is. And you take care of it. That is human nature 101. Dems, or anyone wanting to keep pumping money into the hands of who they see as "poor" are people who care nothing for our country or what made it great. Mostly the dems buy votes and others want to appear as though they care by giving away other people's money.
     
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    Very good post! Any opinion of a status need to be shown in a balanced relative state. To say you are poor- depends totally on the yardstick used to arrive at that conclusion, and a great many never bother to consider that.
     
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    We seem to have a large number of new posters attempting to stir up shyte.

    Anyone else smell socks?
     
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    *Squeaking in my best Social Justice Warrior voice* Sock puppets have rights too! Don't marginalize me, bro!

    Ah, it feels so good to get indignant about things. Now I know what 50% of the population is up to!
     
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    So that means other citizens should have to support you with fruits of their own labor?
     
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    You mention disabled people who cannot support themselves -- seems you indicate you are in that class. Yet you seem to comprehend well what is posted on the Forum and you operate a PC on-line. That tells me you can hold down a job. Please tell me I'm wrong and you support yourself.
     
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    I have spoken against Liberals for their commitment to Discrimination and opposition to Free Speech.

    Conservatives also have many faults -- they want to sacrifice MILLIONS of disabled and poor people.

    In many ways the situation is similar to a conflict of two evils.
     
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    I am supported, but MILLIONS of people are not.
     
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    Where on earth did you get that idea about conservatives?
     
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    I apologize if Conservatives or Liberals online are different from the majority offline.

    The conflict of Nazism against Communism was also evil vs. evil.
     
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    Not much to say beyond..."told ya so"
     
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    I made no distinction in my question, where do you get the idea Conservatives ......

     
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    Many posters on this Forum are against Government providing sustenance to people who can not provide for themselves.
     
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    that there, is the key. it's all about virtue signalling.
     
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    Many people who are able can not understand those unable to earn a living.
     
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    Really, who cares about gratitude. That is merely an emotion, with zero utility.

    What matters (far more, IMO) is the problem of elective poverty .. and it's all elective in America, as you say.
     
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    Nonsense. I would insist (were I King Of The World) that all significantly physically disabled and aged people are taken care of.
     
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    Yea...Big Business ELECTS to have 4% unemployment
     
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    I don't think I've ever met someone who thinks we shouldn't care for the profoundly disabled and the aged.
     
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