America’s Dependent Class – The cause of Political Decay in Our Society

Probably best if these helpless Americans die off, saving the resources for those who make responsible decisions

 

No they are against providing sustenance to those who can.

 

I noticed the smell. Seemed to have arrived on Sunday at 5:06pm....

 

No its fairly easy. Get your high school education, don't get married early, don't have children out of wedlock, don't engage in crime, don't abuse drugs or alcohol, get a job and work hard at it. Follow that and you are pretty much guarantied not tobkive in poverty and the sky's the limit.

 

Ours is a competitive society and it takes effort to get a good life and good things. If you do dumb, and you were not born one of the silver spoon few, and you do dumb some more, you are most likely going to have to pay by suffering in some way for your mistakes -- poverty or jail or banishment from among the people who once accepted you -- as it should be.

One can recover from a mistake with effort, but one can never recover to the point where one would have been without making that mistake.

The fact that the making a mistake drags down one's family and friends and community as well as one's own self ought to give one pause before acting dumbly, unless one is plain ate up with selfishness.

 

That's why Disability is todays preferred method of bilking the Tax coffers..

 

No, the point is we don't need to do any stinkin' income redistribution.

 

Yes self-inflicted dumb, why should the rest of society pay for it?

 

Higher education is an evil? Wouldn't higher education enable people to better contribute to society?

Of course, I've read a lot of posts in this forum that object to education on the grounds that educated people tend to be "liberals," liberal in this case meaning not holding narrow-minded stereotypes. Perhaps that's your objection to it.

 

This post is too long, too tedious, and too rambling to reply to in its entirety, so I'll address one point.

When Willie Sutton was asked why he robbed banks, he is reputed to have replied, "Because that's where the money is." The reason the rich pay more in taxes is because they hold most of the nation's wealth. Do you think you can tax people who are struggling to get by enough to maintain the government?

Those who benefit most from government largess, the wealthy, should pay at least part of the cost the rest of us bear so that they can maintain their lavish lifestyles.

 

There should be a totally flat tax. There should be tax deductions from welfare because it is income. Everybody should have skin in the game, everybody pay the same per cent.

 

How about what is effectively welfare for the rich in the form of special tax breaks? Should those tax breaks be taxed?

I disagree that people who barely have enough to eat and put a roof over their heads or in some cases are reduced to sleeping in their cars should be taxed at the same percentage as the rich who benefit from government wealth transfers.

 

Wanna reduce welfare? make employment a human right and make all these so called job creators actually provide jobs to people instead of just advertising for positions that never existed in the first place , any jobs that the private sector cannot be compelled to provide should be given through a government jobs program.

 

I think the poor demanding more free stuff is only part if the problem, and a small part at that. The biggest problem is progressives trying to give away more free stuff whether the people want it or not. But they'll take it and then feel beholden which is what the progressives really want.

 

No, higher education isn't evil, <Rule 2> It's about the government paying for it (for masses of people, many of whom shouldn't even be going to college and will just end up dropping out) versus individuals paying for it themselves. You know, personal responsibility and stuff!

 

As a Moderately Mentally Disabled I suffer very much -- I have Moderate Depression plus Moderate Autism. I can not imagine the suffering of 10 M Severely Mentally Disabled people. But none of them would describe their situation eloquently.

 

In modern USA the attitude of many people toward those with Disability is similar to Nazi attitude. Scandinavia supports people who need help.

 

Most don't need help

 

I disagree 100%. But then I am not a psychologist.

I have experience as a patient since 1992 -- and proud of it.

 

Flat tax takes care of that. It is so simple that not even the congress could mess it up. It would be tough on the accountants, but they're making a living off of phoney complexity.

 

Almost all of the people you mention are taxed at a 0% or a negative percent rate. Can't get much lower than that.
Will you describe one or two "welfare for the rich tax breaks?" In terms that a CPA would use, not an arm waving idgit.

 

The highest brackets get inflicted on folks who are not rich and who do not live "lavish" lifestyles.

 

I am not a CPA and cannot write anything "in terms that a CPA would use." I am surprised that you would expect that. However, you may remember Warren Buffet's statement a few years ago that his secretary paid a higher percentage of tax on her income that he did.

 

Everybody should pay the same rate, flat tax, no deductions for individuals, no credits, no phony "earned income" scheme, no complexity, and just limited business deductions for business expense and depreciation of capital equipment and facilities (for businesses only). Most HS graduates could complete any tax return in the USA.

 

That is self-serving since almost all of Buffett's "income" comes from capital gains. Capital gains are taxed by law at a lower rate than earned income, and that applies to anyone with capital gains like the Joe with 20 shares of GE and every pension fund. Was Buffett suggesting the tax rate on capital gains be raised to match earned income? You can bet your bippy that he was not!