America’s Dependent Class – The cause of Political Decay in Our Society

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  1. squidward

    squidward Well-Known Member

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    In the time I've watched you post on PF you could have learned to have been pretty damned good developer by now, and been making a **** ton of cash consulting from home.
    No excuses other than lack of ambition
     
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    How can you know that.

    A paradox is the following: a person with Mental Disability considers him/herself perfectly able and feigns disability.
     
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    MILLIONS of people in USA have neither shelter nor healthcare.
     
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    Well then i suggest they crawl into a hole, cover themselves up with dirt and die. Their sustenance is not our problem, it's their problem
     
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    Fortunately I do have support. Millions of disabled people in USA have no support. Many of them sell drugs and end up in prison.
     
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    About 60,000 Americans per year do die from opium overdose. America abandons people to die by tens of thousands.
     
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    The true hardship cases are much few than the number of leachers
     
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    You truly are a Squidward. I kind of understand your sentiment but it doesn't reflect well on the rest of us. Why not just leave it at "No, you can't have free education, healthcare (a car? a phone? A...?) you spoiled brat. But you can have the ample amount of free things you already do have, courtesy of those who work?"

    edit: And/or pay taxes
     
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    How can you judge which disability is true and which is not.
     
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    Because the leachers don't accept that, and I'm done watching people try rationalize with people that just want free ****. They need tossed out on their butts just like the politicans that promise the free ****
     
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    That's cool, seriously. Sometimes you need to combat one overwhelming force with an equal, counter-weighting force. Makes sense.
     
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    Easy.
    Watch who works when they get hungry
     
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    Sorry, but if uneducated refugees who speak no English can do it (very successfully), then anyone can. And such people are still doing it, today. We have a refugee population near us which is leaving poverty behind not 10 years after arriving here. And they arrived with nothing, very little English, and dark brown skin.

    The only thing which 'guarantees' poverty in the rich west, is a disinclination to do the work needed to escape it.
     
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    Without help, many people would not survive -- like hundreds of thousands of people per year in USA who die from drugs, smoking, drunk driving, etc.

    According to Old Testament, All Humans are created by G-d and All Human Life has Paramount Value.

    How can Conservatives preach Darwinism?
     
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    It's EASY by degree of difficulty, HARD by degree of effort.

    Some folk don't care for effort.
     
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    Humans have Paramount Value -- they have G-dly soul.

    Loss of people who can not hold against Life's difficulties is a tragedy. It is not "survival of the fittest".
     
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    Since we're quoting the Bible, "If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat."
     
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    Agreed on the above.

    Whew, I think you wore Squidward out with your incessant strawmen. The reality is a very small minority of people fit into the category you're making. You're just doing yourself a disservice when you associate the legions (literally) of people not paying taxes and voting themselves freebies rather than, you know, paying taxes and, you know, not voting themselves freebies and saving the welfare for the people who actually need it.

    Maybe you need to re-prioritize who you're going after, IMO
     
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    But the majority of the dependent leachers would learn to be self sufficient.
     
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    hunger solves that.
     
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    Preach sistah, sing with me now: **** the poor!
    **** the poor!
    **** the poor!
    **** the poor!

    **** the people born into abusive families.

    **** the people losing their jobs because they are jailed for crimes they didn't commit when they couldn't afford bail.

    **** the people defrauded by things like Trump "University".

    **** the people going bankrupt because of an injury or illness that costs ridiculous amounts of money to treat.

    **** all those lazy parasites!

    Everybody knows that there is a perfect causative relationship between effort and success! If someone makes effort, they'll become rich! Like how a mother working three jobs to be able to feed her family becomes really wealthy!
     
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    And the parade of Endless Victims is trotted out! A common tactic, one should not be fooled by what is likely their first instinct - namely to agree that "People born into abusive families", "People losing their jobs because of crime or something", "People 'defrauded' by Trump University" (?), or "People going bankrupt because of injury/illness"...should be supported.

    A few of those groups yes, others no. The reality is, to reiterate, 30-40% of the population is inputting nothing and asking for endless freebies in exchange. I'd stick 5% of the population Tops on the categories you just created. So why not discuss the other 25-35%? Because it's not convenient for your agenda?

    As Romney so famously said (and probably lost the election because of it) - 40%+ of the population is on the dole, and so they have literally no incentive to vote for anything but freebies.
     
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    So you're volunteering to pay the same tax rates you think others should pay, because you're not one of the leachers?
     
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    Isn't amazing how people with nothing can come here and make something of themselves, but people born here have every excuse for their failures?
     
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    Just anecdotal but I think the immigrants from India/East Asia get a kick out of all the whining from the 'marginalized' in America. I mean, it is pretty funny if you think about it
     
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