America Under Attack- This time, the pledge of allegiance...

Nope. For someone who speaks ill of entire races of humans, you are remarkably concerned about your "tribe' being spoken ill of.

There is no "mother nature", either. What is, is.

And what need do you have of that, when your God on Earth is the State to whom you say your mystical oaths and sing your mystical hymns and praises?

A promise is just words, there is no mystical power in them.

What makes you think that I believe the job of the world is to make me happy? I'm not the one whining and whinging that people aren't whooping "Hallelujah!" to a bunch of lines on a map.

 

No thank you.

 

War is immoral by definition. Sometimes it is necessary and serving where your country deems necessary is patriotic.

 

funny how forum right wingers fail to see the attack on Murrah building and other instances of right wing terrorism as unpatriotic hate for the USA:

 

Opposing an unjust war is patriotic. Participating just makes one complicit.

 

No, it makes one an American in the military.

 

However- when you speak of all those people that produced the materials and assisted in the production of goods.... YOU FAIL TO RECOGNIZE THAT THEY WERE PAID AS AGREED FOR WHAT THEY DID. Every payday, the deal made for your services as an employee was completed as agreed. You took the position of employee to avoid the uncertainty and risk of being on your own- something you are free to do anytime you wish. You are entitled to the pay you agreed to- and labor law insures you will get it. Your employer is entitled to the honest days work you agreed to as well.... but NOBODY insures he will get a damn thing from you. Even if you hide all day, it you are on the clock- he can fire you, but he still has to pay you.

The idea that employees are somehow entitled to things that were never part of the bargain they made is a socialist fabrication. It always works the same way- the company owes me more, I owe them less. However, it never works in the reverse. It's one-sided perception of convenience, heavily embraced by the left.

If you worked for 32 years then you have had a customer that has patronized your personal business, buying your personal services, for 32 years. He has been your CUSTOMER- loyal all that time. What to you owe him?

If you bank at the same place, but groceries at the same place, don't you feel they owe you some appreciation for your loyalty? If you don't you are the exception.
What's more, you expect that person you are buying from even once (you are employing him to provide what you are wanting) to be grateful for your patronage, to thank you , to guarantee that you actually get what you paid for and it works. You want him to appreciate you.
But loyalty to the person who has bought from you- No. Spit in his face, call him evil and greedy. And you still expect him to appreciate you, because after all, you are doing everything while he gets rich off your back. And you take no risk.

Now I realize you won't understand a word of this.

50% of new businesses fail within 5 years. At 10 years, the number is 90%. Know who pays the unemployment for those businessmen who fail? Their workman's comp? NOBODY. They have none. However they pay All of their own social security- 12%, not 6% like you do. When the business fails they not only lose their jobs, they often lose everything they invested, often their homes and their credit. No sure thing like you have as an employee- they take all the risk, believing in themselves and are often wrong. Then some fool working there comes along and says "I do all the work, you make all the money:". I had a supervisor that told me that he should get a bonus when a job comes in under budget, because that was due to his good supervision. I said, what about the jobs that come in at a loss? He explained that that was bad management, nothing to do with him.

My first business failed after 4 years- because I wasn't yet a good enough manager.The day my bankruptcy was final, I walked into my bank and took out a loan for the amount they lost, signed the check and handed it back to them. I vowed it would never happen again- and it hasn't. I learned to manage. Now my brother runs a business I started and didn't like, and both he his son that is taking it over are both millionaires. I still run a small but very profitable business, my 7th founding, that has customers in more than 100 countries- and I too am a millionaire.

What I found is that employing people is the biggest headache and the biggest risk in running a business. It's not far from running a day-care center. Most will take everything they can get, and they give as little as possible- unaware that the reason they don't move up is their attitude. They are adversary- thinking as you do. Telling themselves that without them, the company would be nothing,.I found that the fewer employees I had, the better off I was. The good employees move up, become managers. and many eventually become business founders themselves. The rest just whine about how hard life is and that someone else is to blame.

 

You can take your patronizing BS and shove it -

I understand perfectly well the running of businesses and employee/employer relations.
That has nothing to do with the FACT that no matter what you are paying employees, you are leveraging their labor. If you don't, you do not make a profit. And somewhere down the line, you are taking advantage of cheap labor to feed yourself so that you have the time to operate your business and not gather food, you are taking advantage of cheap labor to get your raw goods shipped to you, and you are taking advantage of the collective wealth of others to fund infrastructure that you use to ship and receive goods.

As a business person, you leverage other people's labor and time and money. That's the way it works. That you can't seem to grasp this is your problem. I'm not saying it's wrong to leverage other people in this way (to a point). I'm just saying it's a fact of life. I have no problem with people making money - they should just take off the blinders and realize what it entails.

 

That was the final principle asserted during the Nuremberg Tribunals in which the USA presided. Too bad those same principles were not enforced against the Bush regime.

 

Standards of conduct are only applied to the losers.

 

The entire world lost all hope for peace thanks to the criminal and treasonous actions of the Bush regime.

 

If employers are leveraging their labor, employees are leveraging their employer- it's necessary to hire people if you want to enlarge a business, and employees are taking advantage of that. The same is true when you buy any product of any kind- without your demand, the employees that make the product would be out of work. What's the last time you offered to pay more than the asking price so the employees who made it would be better off?

Making money entrails producing a value and trading it to others for another kind of value. Before money- it was barter; you plow my field, I build your barn. Money only simplified the process.

Most businesses could function as a small enterprise with no employees at all- it is the expansion that makes the jobs others hold and resent as it they were conscript slaves instead of free-will traders who don't want much responsibility.

What you see today in the process of automation is a movement to eliminate the gross incompetence and headaches of hiring labor and replace them with machines. In some businesses, this has already removed 90% of the labor. Who are they leveraging when a machine does the work?

A society that is healthy is one that works together- not one where hate is the norm, the
I'm the victim" mentality prevails. I can tell you- If I thought for a moment that an applicant didn't really want to work here, he wouldn't. Not a chance. If you aren't willing to be on the team and win as a team, I have no use for you.

There are always places so desperate that they will put up with a lot of crap from such employees- and they invariably are the bottom of the barrel jobs. Filled by- bottom of the barrel people.

Virtually every employer has been an employee. however it is rare that an employee has been an employer. So- the employers knows exactly what it is like to be in your position; but you have absolutely no idea what it is like to be in his. And yet, you know it all. Amazing.