American Legion Joins VFW Call for Congressional Investigation of Israel Attack on USS Liberty

All of it ain't nothing but shat all these years later. Perpetual War forever!

 

We're almost there!!!

 

I cited an additional source that clearly stated that US Troops will be put under Israeli command in the event of hostilities & find those sources far more credible than someone so blindly loyal to a country that has repeatedly betrayed the US.

If the Israeli government was so eager to leave no survivors from the USS Liberty(1), you can be sure that they will just as eagerly sacrifice the American G.I.s currently on Israeli soil as cannon fodder.


"Not Remembering the USS Liberty"
https://original.antiwar.com/mcgovern/2017/05/21/not-remembering-the-uss-liberty/
EXCERPT
"(1) On June 8, 1967, Israel attempted to sink the US Navy intelligence collection ship USS Liberty and leave no survivors. The attack came by aircraft and torpedo boat, in full daylight in international waters during the Six-Day Israeli-Arab War;

(2) The US cover-up taught the Israelis that they could literally get away with murder; they killed 34 US sailors (and wounded more than 170 others); and

(3) As part of an unconscionable government cover-up, the Navy threatened to court martial and imprison any survivor who so much as told his wife what had actually happened. (This, incidentally, put steroids to the PTSD suffered by many of the survivors.)" CONTINUED

 

You need to go back and read everything I have written.

 

I thought that perhaps you were being sarcastic in the other post, and that I somehow missed what you meant to say. Apologies.

 

You can cite all the sources you want, but until I see a specific order issued by someone in the chain of command, it is just another unconfirmed questionable source.

 

Grau is misrepresenting a U.S./Israeli joint missile defense exercise (you can even see the Patriot missile launchers in his link) as "American soldiers sent to die for Israel". Even if the U.S. officer used those words it is a simple figure of speech. U.S. troops manning a Patriot missile battery are more likely to get killed in a vehicle accident on the way to their duty stations than they are killed in enemy action.

 

The Gulf of Tonkin incident (the second, famous one on August 4th) was not staged. It was a mistake by the two American destroyer commanders. Even President Johnson expressed doubts about it at that time.

The Gulf of Tonkin incident on August 2nd, absolutely did happen where a U.S. destroyer was fired on by North Vietnamese torpedo boats. The North Vietnamese complained about it at the time and have repeatedly admitted it happened.

 

You can't know that if it ain't investigated.

 

The first Gulf of Tonkin incident was openly admitted to by the North Vietnamese themselves (they were ticked off that the commander of one of their boats was killed by U.S. return fire). What is there to investigate about that?

 

Given the information above which I have bolded, are you suggesting the surviving crew and the American Legion are Jew Haters?

 

Ok if you are not suggesting anything, we can forget your comment, it was pointless. We will just assume it was the normal attempt to stop debate with accusations of Jew hate.

 

I could care less. The thread is laced with Jew hate. Trying to revive a fifty year old controversy by throwing in Jew hate speech does nothing but discredit it even further.

 

Wrong!

"In first, US establishes permanent military base in Israel"
https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-first-us-establishes-permanent-military-base-in-israel/


The US funded exercise "Juniper Cobra" has occurred for the last few years but American G.I.s are permanently stationed in Israel so that Israel can continue to attack Syria with the full knowledge that a Syrian retaliation would drag the US into fighting another war for Israel.
Since the outgunned & outnumbered Hezbollah routed the cowardly IDF in 2006, the Israelis prefer to sacrifice American lives fighting Hezbollah in a conflict Israel has proven eager to provoke with its repeated attacks on Syria.

Just because pro Israel MSM(1) doesn't report the reality that Americans have been sent to die for Israel doesn't mean it's not a fact:

"US Commander: ‘US Troops Prepared to Die for Israel’ in War against Syria, Hezbollah"
https://www.mintpressnews.com/israe...a-harbinger-of-war-on-syria-hezbollah/238768/



(1) “U.S. media coverage reveals a pro-Israel bias”
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2014/09/01/commentary/world-commentary/u-s-media-coverage-reveals-a-pro-israel-bias/#.WMLm5mafK_U

EXCERPT “Why does TV news look like a Netanyahu ad?” asked Chris McGreal of The Guardian on July 31, in his article on the “notoriously pro-Israel mainstream media in the U.S.”

In fact, three main dailies here from mid-July to mid-August easily gave the impression that U.S. President Barack Obama, not Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, was prosecuting a war against the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip. The U.S. State Department continues to list the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) as a terrorist organization.

Meanwhile, the Wall Street Journal dispelled any doubt about which side it was on. On Aug. 2-3, its Review section gave a two-page spread — “In Defense of Zionism” — against an oversize photo of a flag-raising ceremony in Israel, in 1948.”CONTINUED

 

As I have shown you the crew of the Liberty and the American Legion are the people pushing this resolution. Presumably you think they are the ones full of Jew hate.
Please give an example of Jew hate speech in this thread.

 

I gave one earlier. Go back and look or whatever, it is not worth the effort.

This occurred fifty years ago. Evidence gets lost and contaminated and memories fade and change. Reviving it at this point is a total waste of time. The people responsible would be long dead or retired. So rightly or wrongly we end up adding to the anti-Semitism. What does that accomplish?. I look back at that period and there is more that I want to forget than I want to remember.

 

If you feel the attempts by the crew and American Legion are a total waste of time then do not contribute to the thread. Otherwise stop trying to divert this thread with your ad hom attacks and accusations.

 

I have done nothing to divert. I questioned the accuracy and the rhetoric which accompanied it. In general, everything but the kitchen sink has been thrown into this discussion in an effort to denigrate the Jews. If it has nothing to do with the Liberty, it should be left out of the discussion.

 

The fact that you're so obsessed with perpetuating a decades old war crime and betrayal of America by a foreign government with nonsense about "Jew hate" seriously undermines your claims to have taken an oath to serve & protect the US "against all enemies, foreign & domestic".

The deliberate Israeli attack on the USS Liberty was covered up from the beginning by the same powerful Israeli lobbies and disloyal American Israel Firsters who have manipulated US Mid East policy for decades.
Just because the Liberty betrayal was a wound that was never treated properly at first and has festered ever since doesn't mean that it should continue to fester & Liberty survivors continue to suffer along with the ethical Israeli pilot who refused to participate in the War Crime.

"Israeli Pilot Speaks Up"
https://www.wrmea.org/1993-june/the-assault-on-the-uss-liberty-still-covered-up-after-26-years.html

EXCERPT "Fifteen years after the attack, an Israeli pilot approached Liberty survivors and then held extensive interviews with former Congressman Paul N. (Pete) McCloskey about his role. According to this senior Israeli lead pilot, he recognized the Liberty as American immediately, so informed his headquarters, and was told to ignore the American flag and continue his attack. He refused to do so and returned to base, where he was arrested."CONTINUED

 

Your first accusation of Jew Hate was post 19! Hopefully the mods will tidy it up and get the thread back to the attack on the Liberty.

 

They are a little late...there was an investigation....Israel has paid millions to the US Govt and the familes of the victims.

 

So, I guess you feel the same way about the holocaust that occurred even longer ago and relies exclusively on flawed memories & anti German hate?

 

But it's the new millennium. Now you can never, ever stop complaining, never stop being offended, and never stop investigating. The Civil War is still being re-fought and re-fought, and then re-fought some more. If people have any happiness and they are satisfied with something then something is damn sure wrong with them in newspeakland.

Until you can go back in time for a redo and make things perfect it can never be good enough.

 

"Israel apologized for the tragedy immediately and offered on June 9 [1967] to compensate the victims. Israel ultimately paid nearly $13 million in humanitarian reparations to the United States and to the families of the victims in amounts established by the U.S. State Department. The matter was officially closed between the two governments by an exchange of diplomatic notes on December 17, 1987." Jewish Virtual Library.

I can't say if $13 million was enough, or if the money ever got to the victims, or the US government kept it, but Israel did own up to it immediately.

 

Once again, the presence of an American flag DOES NOT mean that the vessel couldn't have been Egyptian or even Soviet. Surely as a former member of the U.S. military (supposedly) you would know this.