American Legion Joins VFW Call for Congressional Investigation of Israel Attack on USS Liberty

Pick up a history book sometime. The crimes the Germans committed were recorded in great detail by the GERMANS themselves.

Your lack of historical knowledge, your anti Semitism, are exposed. Both cloaked in a fake concern for U.S. service people and a claim of vast military knowledge.

 

When they take your uniform and ID, tell you you're on your own and you do not exist if there's trouble, give you a Hawaiian shirt, polyester slacks, and hush puppies, hand you an AK-47 and put you on a chopper before they tell you what it's about it's time to shat your pants. Sometimes things are no longer ordinary or by the book.

 

Well documented and examined at the time and I can remember those horrible pictures.

 

Hilarious, you resent, whilst accusing others of Jew hate, just priceless.

 

Take a look at what was said. They ranted about Jews. How else do you interpret that?

You know absolutely nothing about me. Twenty year US Air Force and Vietnam veteran. Show me any indication I am an "Israel Firster". Just like those who are assigned to Israel, when it comes down to it, they will be US Firsters with no hesitation.

 

There has been no rant about Jews, Israel is not Jews, most Jews do not live in Israel and not all Jews support it.
Again remember that it is the survivors of the USS Liberty and the American Legion who have worked for this resolution, not members of this forum. That you disregard their wishes is enough for me.

 

Call it what you want. There was a lot of criticism of Israel which had absolutely nothing to do with Liberty. Clearly the intent was to show how bad Israel is.

 

That is not how bad Jews are! Israel has a record of Black Flag attacks and of even killing its own people to further its ends. But what I want to know is why you are so against these vets and the American Legion seeking justice?

 

What "record" of Black Flag attacks? The so called "Lavon Affair" which killed no one and didn't even cause significant damage?

 

Not all of them.

 

Which has nothing to do with the Liberty. I have repeatedly explained why I think it is a waste of time.

 

Yes you wrote this.

Why do you think they want to punish people most likely dead,

It is clear that the surviving veterans are not fading into the sunset quietly.

As the Chicago Tribune reporter reached out to survivors for telephone interviews he relates:

...decades later, many of the more than two dozen Liberty survivors located and interviewed by the Tribune cannot talk about the attack without shouting or weeping.

The epic struggle to be heard and avenge their shipmates, almost all young in their twenties when killed, by forcing Israel and the US government to admit it was not an accident, might recall the Dylan Thomas lines:

Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light
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They simply want the admission that it was not an accident. Why do you not believe those vets?

 

Dont forget that at the time of the Liberty Attack Israel had already lied to the Whitehouse about who had started the war and about the intentions of Egypt and Nasser. That and they had just carried out their own Pearl Harbour type attack. To be worried that the US would find out that they were murdering prisoners would be very important to them. Also where did the shelling that the Israeli's stated had happened come from?

 

I have no idea. Ask them.

There is a lot of stuff about Vietnam I cannot talk about without shouting or weeping.

Really. That is all? No. Even if true it would never end there. It never does. At some point it is time to let it go. It will just result in more anti Israel rhetoric.

I can also guarantee that after the investigation is complete, it will be inconclusive. Such investigations never satisfy everyone. Especially investigations of events which took place fifty years ago.

It is time let it go. You can yell, shout, plead and insult and I will not change my mind. I have been down this road too many times already. No matter how many times or how many ways you ask me, you are going to get the same answer. As a minimum, leave me out of it.

 

Since you are the one accusing them of it I expect you to have an idea!

I can understand that and genuinely sympathise.

Again I am not going to try to second guess the views of the vets involved. If Israel lied about this incident as they did about who started the war and several other lies, it is not rhetoric but fact.

You joined the thread, no one made you.

 

The Egyptians committed acts of war against Israel prior to Israel launching their massive attack.

And the allegations that Israel murdered prisoners has never been proven.

 

Israel had been shelled repeatedly from the Golan Heights and you well know it.

 

Evidence and source?

 

The Israelis claimed that the ammo depot at El Arish was shelled from the sea, this is the Israeli justification for the attack on the Liberty, as YOU well know it had nothing to do with shelling from the Golan Heights.

 

I thought the shelling you referred to was regarding acts of war against Israel prior to their attack on Egypt, Jordan and Syria.

The Israelis THOUGHT the ammo depot at El Arish had been shelled. IIRC it had blown up on its own.

 

eyewitness accounts are notorious for their inaccuracy.

 

From the Wikipedia entry regarding the causes of the Six Day War.

Israel repeated declarations it had made in 1957 that any closure of the Straits would be considered an act of war, or justification for war,[39][40] but Nasser closed the Straits to Israeli shipping on 22–23 May.[41][42][43] After the war, U.S. President Lyndon Johnson commented:[44]

If a single act of folly was more responsible for this explosion than any other, it was the arbitrary and dangerous announced decision that the Straits of Tiran would be closed. The right of innocent, maritime passage must be preserved for all nations.

 

No you do not recall correctly, unsurprisingly the cause was never discovered.

 

So why did the Israelis not go to the International court as Nasser offered to prove the legality of his actions?

But more importantly why do you not have the link to wikipedia where it states that the Israelis claimed the Egyptians started it and that was now proven false. So the Israelis lied about who started the war.

 

I figured any idiot could find Wikipedia without being linked to it.

And I do not think every nation recognizes the authority of the World Court. And the WC has no enforcement provisions.

And the Egyptians announced the closure of the straits, which is an internationally recognized act of war which is what President Johnson was talking about.

So Egypt did start the war.