American Legion Joins VFW Call for Congressional Investigation of Israel Attack on USS Liberty

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  1. RiaRaeb

    RiaRaeb Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Lavon affair and the Patria. That is two to start with, proven black flag attacks.
     
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    RiaRaeb Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If it was an internationally recognized act of war then they could of gone to the international court, you are contradicting yourself, twisting and turning to avoid the simple fact that Israel started the war.
     
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    Gideon Rafael, the Israeli Ambassador to the UN, received a message from the Israeli foreign office: "inform immediately the President of the Sec. Co. that Israel is now engaged in repelling Egyptian land and air forces." At 3:10 am, Rafael woke ambassador Hans Tabor, the Danish President of the Security Council for June, with the news that Egyptian forces had "moved against Israel".[1] and that Israel was responding to a "cowardly and treacherous" attack from Egypt…"[2] At the Security Council meeting of June 5, both Israel and Egypt claimed to be repelling an invasion by the other,[1] and "Israeli officials – Eban and Evron – swore that Egypt had fired first".[3]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_relating_to_the_Six-Day_War

    Israel lied about the start of the war FACT
     
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    Doesn't matter to me anyway. In my interpretation of events, Israel was more than justified in attacking so you're wasting your time.
     
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    No one was even killed in the Lavon Affair. Hardly something to get worked up over. Please link to the other one.
     
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    According to a New York Times report of September 21, 1995, the Egyptian government announced that it had discovered two shallow mass graves in the Sinai at El Arish containing the remains of 30 to 60 Egyptian prisoners allegedly shot by Israeli soldiers during the 1967 war. Israel responded by sending Eli Dayan, a Deputy Foreign Minister, to Egypt to discuss the matter. During his visit, Dayan offered compensation to the families of victims, but explained that Israel was unable to pursue those responsible owing to its 20-year statute of limitations.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_relating_to_the_Six-Day_War

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    It is more about two countries and much less about individual soldiers! And Israel is definitely alive and kicking and should be held responsible and atone for its sins.
    But then, the USA is even worse with sweeping their crimes under the carpet, as happened after WW2 when Ike Eisenhower deliberately starved to death 1.7 million German soldiers. To this day no official apology or reparation payments. Only a lone American, Merrit Drucker, had the decency to apologize to the Germans.

    US and Israel are much like twins. One wonders, which of the two is the worse one.
     
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    Then instead of arguing all this time why did you not just say that the truth does not matter in your interpretation!
     
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    Terrorism attacks are not something to get worked up about if no one gets killed! Hilarious!
     
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    I did not accuse them of anything. You have to ask them.
    You said the right word. "If".
    As did you.
    Like I have said before, there are conspiracy theories everywhere. I have become pretty much immune to them.
     
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    You have some of the most twisted logic I have ever read...a nation commits an act of war against Israel and Israel defends itself...but it's Israel's fault for not taking the case the UN International Court??? hahhahahha
     
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    Israel claims it was an act of war, so what, no twisted logic here.
     
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    Nasser’s closing of the Straits of Tiran has been similarly distorted in the Mainstream Narrative. Finkelstein explains that Nasser may actually have had the legal right to close the Straits, that he probably did not intend to maintain the closure, and that he offered to take the dispute to the International Court of Justice, but Israel refused. And Israel would not have choked overnight, but got 95 percent of its imports through its other ports and had a several months’ reserve supply of oil.
    https://mondoweiss.net/2017/06/provoked-fighting-survival/

    Again Israel lied about what it told the White House, what it told the UN and what it told the world, that is a fact.
     
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    Sure, everything that doesn't fit into your immaculate picture is a conspiracy.
    Read, how the Zionists deal with criticism:

    Source of Pro-Israel Guerrilla Warriors on Social Media Exposed
    A number of prominent Jewish-American leaders are funding covert, anonymous campaigns targeting pro-Palestinian student activists, The Forward has found. The Jewish daily newspaper, which has been publishing valuable information concerning the source of funding for these hyper-aggressive and shadowy groups – which spearhead coordinated hate campaigns against critics of the Zionist state – has uncovered the identities of those behind hidden social media accounts.


    On its official website, the ICC (Israel on Campus Coalition) says that its vision is to create a campus environment where “dialogue and ideas are freely exchanged about Israel”. Publicly, the ICC presents a respectable face typical of nearly all pro-Israeli groups, but privately it is funding one of the most aggressive and shadowy student groups responsible for hateful campaigns against critics of the Zionist state.

    Read more here:
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/sourc...illa-warriors-on-social-media-exposed/5664845
     
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    1. There never was a full scale Congressional investigation of this Israeli betrayal. There was only an investigation of the crew's actions during the attack.

    2. Israel has never actually "paid" anything to the US except out of the $ Trillions it has received in US Aid.(1) over the decades.

    3. The survivors have suffered & suffer irreparable wounds both physically & emotionally from the initial attack as well slander, degradation & abuse from subsequent Israeli agents and their own government.

    Setting the record straight on the USS Liberty is as much about exposing those Americans complicit in a monumental criminal cover up and major human rights abuse as it is about an additional Israeli betrayal.

    America's sons & daughters in uniform deserve to know that their government will never betray them again to a hostile foreign power.



    (1) “The Real Cost of US Support for Israel: $3 Trillion”
    http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Soc/soc.culture.palestine/2005-08/msg00005.html

    EXCERPT “While it is commonly reported that Israel officially receives some $3

    billion every year in the form of economic aid from the U.S. government,

    this figure is just the tip of the iceberg. There are many billions of

    dollars more in hidden costs and economic losses lurking beneath the

    surface. A recently published economic analysis has concluded that U.S.

    support for the state of Israel has cost American taxpayers nearly $3

    trillion ($3 million millions) in 2002 dollars. “CONTINUED
     
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    He closed the Strait,,,doesn't matter if there was another Port. Israel had made clear that if they ever did, again...after the prior Arab-Israeli war that it would be viewed as an Act of War.
     
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    Do you also know that while the Allies were fighting the disgusting Nazis the leader of Israel(in 67) had decided not to fight the Nazis in his native Poland but was instead a terrorist in Palestine attacking allied forces?
     
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    And what is your point, if Israel says its an act of war it is!
     
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    The U.S. has never spent remotely a trillion dollars supporting Israel. That is an obvious falsehood.
     
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    Falsehoods do not matter to you. remember?
     
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    1) What are you talking about? There were 5 seperate Govt investigations...including the US Senate, US House, US Navy, Joint Chiefs, NSA....oh and the President's Intelligene Advisory Board, wrote a report authored by Clark Clifford called the Clifford Report. ...there was no betrayal
    2 Israel paid...the "Aid" we give Israel can only be used to spend on military equipment we in fact make.
    3) The record is straight...unless of Course you think the Johnson Admin, and the US Congress covered up for Israel in some grand conspiracy. Yes, folks suffered, part of the money by Israel was to go to the families....if our Govt didn't get it to them...that's on our Govt.
     
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    Yes....just like we get to determine what an Act of War is against us.
     
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    So do you think that the Vets and the American Legion has a right to continue with what they see as a justified action?
     
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    Now we get some twisted logic, if Israel say the world must stand on one leg or it is an act of war thats fine!

    But the important thing you have avoided is that Israel lied to the UN, to the Whitehouse and the UN and in the context of this thread that is what matters!
     
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    Your hypocrisy is showing.
    Evidently you feel that the suffering of some victims & survivors should be loudly eulogized for all eternity while the suffering of others should be denied, hidden & ignored.

    Your disdain for US Veterans is certainly inconsistent with someone who claims to be one.
     
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