AOC's Chief of Staff says the Green New Deal is not about the Climate

There's nothing to deny, unless AGW is a religion. Climate has changed since the beginning of time. Man doesn't have the power to change it to any great extent. That was proven during the last administration when, despite Obama's claims that he had the power to dial in the rate of rise of the oceans, he changed nothing.

 

You’re miss-understanding of AGW is astounding.
‘ Climate has changed since the beginning of time.” As a rebuttal of AGW totally misses the point of AGW.

Man doesn’t have the power to change it, “ to any great extent.” Wtf does that mean ? Either they can or they can’t.....which is it ?
You really don’t know, do you ?

 

Unfortunately there are as many stupid people in universities as there are in the general population- maybe more. The problem comes when you get a degree in one thing, and think it makes you an expert in everything.

"Knowledge and understanding are not the same thing. You can know a great deal and understand nothing".

The more education you think you have... the more likely you are to be in that position. We have been teaching a special agenda in our universities for some time, selling prospective students the idea that a degree in anything is the same as universal wisdom. Justifies the tuition..... teaches them arrogance, sets them up to make fools of themselves.

A wise man knows what he knows and doesn't know, and is smart enough to defer to others that do in areas where he lacks understanding.

 

Hogwash. The greatest ideas man has ever had, emulated from science taught in our schools including universities.
So, you’re promoting ignorance as a way of understanding more. Sounds like a plan for failure.

 

You aren't following. I didn't say universities or education were worthless, I said they are teaching people arrogance. You can be a fine brain surgeon- and a fool. I say that, because I knew a brain surgeon whose wife was an orthodontist- both highly educated, with a huge combined income. He asked me to finance the addition they wanted me to build on their home, because the bank and lenders wouldn't give them any more money. Neither of them was capable of managing finances, but he in particular also thought as a brain surgeon, he was also smart enough to be an architect and electrical engineer as well. I told him I wasn't interested. I knew his plan was so full of flaws it was not buildable, let alone meet codes. I also had a PhD working for me many years ago- brilliant young man, 40 years old, living at home, working as my warehouse janitor.... unemployable in his field, because he kept criticizing employers as ignorant.

A fine carpenter is just as skilled as a fine biologist. He may not have a written degree, but has graduated from the school of experience- and is measured by the quality of the work he produces rather than the paper on the wall. But when the biologist assumes that is is also a fine carpenter- he makes a fool of himself. Life is a university too- and a far more demanding one that most universities. In all species other than mankind, those who fail the course die. In the case of mankind- we adjust the grades if the income to the university is attractive enough, and tell people who graduate that they are educated. It's not just universities, but of course, that being the highest level and biggest ego chip on the table, that is the symbol. But just as putting on a pilot's cap does not make you a pilot, having a degree on the wall does not mean you are competent in the skill anymore, because universities have lost sight of their purpose. Many people are chasing diplomas instead of seeking knowledge, because the diploma is touted as the key to more money. Many professors have turned their classes into political indoctrination, even though the class subject has nothing to do with politics or political ideology.

Universities are losing sight of the reason they exist, and becoming diploma mills. If that continues, a diploma will be worthless in the long run. I will always respect knowledge and skill- because I have both, and know what it takes. But it will have to be viable to be respectable, not just a paper certificate on the wall.

 

We can all find subjective examples to buttress our POVs. That’s the easy way out. As far as universities are concerned, when science comes under attack by the poorly informed and money horders, you can expect a rebuttal from the science support community. Just a word about degrees. Though there are many successful people without them, it’s far from

 

Climate gonna change always, has always will.

Species are going to go extinct, always have, always will.

Man can set aside some of his living money to save some species, but can't come close to saving them all, there's only enough to save a small fraction. Species gonna go extinct, and that's no tragedy, it's natural history.

The anthropic climate change movement is but a greenunistic foil for the attempted establishment of world socialism.

 

Some great examples of the fact that educated does not mean intelligent.

 

He doesn't use his imagination. Doesn't have to. Just takes the talking points from Rachel Maddow. No thought or imagination required.

 

a indicator of success that you do better without one. Sorry, I see very little wrong with continuing a formal education. Being limited in one, even with a talent, is a shackle you carry around the rest of your life limiting your career advancement, potential earnings and ultimate personal freedom and happiness. You can be a successful plumber or laborer and still sit on your degree and never use it because you take pride in that work. But chances are, the opposite will be true. Increased opportunity is always advanced by formal education. What you do with it is a personal choice, but you have fewer choices without. Sorry.......it doesn’t hold water.

 

Says the uneducated.

 

Climate Science has become Political Science, and Political Science tends to be Fake Science.

 

no, political science has become climate science

people controlling the weather is a conspiracy theory.

 

Another uneducated guesser who knows nothing about science.

 

In the mean time, his own species faces extinction and competing Ones with shorter gestation periods adapt quicker making medical advances harder to come by.
World socialism ? You should be so lucky.

 

Another Trump fan who’s smaaaater then science. Impressive.

 

But science isn't always right either, is it? I agree that in general, the best informed and trained minds are most likely to produce the best answers. It's not a disrespect for education I speak of, it's a disrespect for the arrogance of thinking you are educated when in fact you can't actually put it to effective, productive use- and especially when you think that having a degree in anything makes you an expert in everything. That is arrogance, and invalidates your expertise for lack of judgment.

 

If you knew science, you’d know that any discipline of it is only correct relative to the evidence it has to work with.
So, instead of using science , where we consider only valid evidence and slowly evolve into the truth, your solution is to call everything a hoax, say fk it and make up s.h.i.t.

Geese’s, just throw away your cell phone. After all, science isn’t always right.

 

Note that he stated "the movement is but a greenunistic foil". That doesn't say anything about the scientific point- but the political one.
Of course climates change, and we debate the degree to which humanity has caused it- but to make it a political weapon of abuse.... not something righteous at all. That gets in the way of genuine discussion and action rather than promoting it.

 

I’ll say this once more. Take notes. Of course the climate changes. Dah. But the rate of change has accelerated due to man’s dependence on fossil fuels, among other things man has done. The accelerated change threatens man kinds ability to adapt quickly enough. You haven’t noticed the migration trends and perpetual wars ? All have been exacerbated by climate change.
No, the debate among “smart” people is over.

 

Good idea and do you plan to start that process?

Democrats come here saying strange things.

Such as only they looked at the science.

 

So few, if any, alarmists get it, perhaps you have a point.

AGW is the systematic shifting of blame or what I call management, of climate by humans. It presumes the Globe is constantly warming but ignores where record heat waves took place or when they did. It treats us all as guilty of violating something the Democrats want us not to violate.

 

That is called making statements. Not a lick of scientific proof is included. All statements.

For instance, not a single word about deforestation. Not a word of comparison to earlier events. When for instance the North Pole was so warm there were gigantic insects there.

It is like you believe the climate history of Earth began around 1880 and has now been managed by humans to the detriment of Earth.

Who says man is threatened?

What experiments can you discuss to prove this is true?

This comes from IPCC and it clearly is intended to alarm yet not compare.

https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/2018/02/AR5_SYR_FINAL_SPM.pdf

I view it like this. They say likely. Fine it is likely we will have winter too. Not to oversimplify this, but what the hell is scientific about likely?

They want us to believe in certainty. Not likely. the doom crowd tells us we face certainty. I say IPCC speaks of likely. This is not a confidence booster.

Fine let's forget that and deal with the doom. They say a degree of warming is the maximum with a minimum of .65 allowed.

Who but we so called deniers brings up just how small of a change that amounts to over a period of 140 years?

When we examine past records, we note other periods where temperatures rose fast. We realize each time it happened, cooling followed. We are likely to see cooling in the future prior to 2100.

Alarmists never mention that.

 

Holding a degree shows one has spent more time at the knee of others. The knee of what some protest are the Democrats in the system. Here on the forum comes a person alleging that even in Science the Democrats have so infiltrated the university that they tell us that your scientists are down to 7 percent of voting for republicans.

I mean if the Democrats locked up science to that extreme, can we ever trust them again in the university system?

 

So, the climate change that melted the glaciers was.... something due to neanderthals burning tar pit oil?
Climate change, including quick and substantial shifts, have happened repeatedly in earth history- long before humans entered into it. I think everybody knows that humanity is a major contributor here, but you have to be pretty narrow minded to rule out the scientific record of the past.... and that is not a very scientific thing to do, is it?

Now you are assigning migration trends and wars to climate change? Sound like a moon-jump to me. Those things have also been going on forever, and sometimes in very long and vicious cycles.
Migration of today seem to be forms of self-improvement- bettering you circumstances by going for the greener grass on the other side of the fence, as opposed to watering and caring your own... and colonization, where people want the culture they already have without the oppression that comes with it. Problem is that if they want to come to America but don't want to becomes Americans, they bring along the mindset that has created and allowed that repression, and distribute it where ever they go. Leads to the destruction of the advantages they came for. Nothing to do with climate change except in the economic and freedom senses.

I'd say you have not given much thought to your theory- just grabbed what you want to believe and hopped on .